Visibility at night on local roads

Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Palliser » Jan 18th, 2018, 11:44 am

I have been away for a few years. I seem to recall reading a post here about why the lines on the road are nearly impossible to see at night. When the roads are wet and it is dark and there are on coming cars, I can barely see the lines on the road. I grew up on the prairies and I dont remember the roads being like that there. Am i crazy or is there something different here?
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby TreeGuy » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:07 pm

I noticed this last night on the stretch between the bridge and Kal Tire. This is the stretch they are talking about installing lighting.

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby RVThereYet » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:09 pm

Palliser wrote:I have been away for a few years. I seem to recall reading a post here about why the lines on the road are nearly impossible to see at night. When the roads are wet and it is dark and there are on coming cars, I can barely see the lines on the road. I grew up on the prairies and I dont remember the roads being like that there. Am i crazy or is there something different here?

Paint for road lines used to be lead-based and lasted longer than about 1/2 a season... but lead is bad for the environment so they phased it out
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby TreeGuy » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:15 pm

Palliser wrote:I have been away for a few years. I seem to recall reading a post here about why the lines on the road are nearly impossible to see at night. When the roads are wet and it is dark and there are on coming cars, I can barely see the lines on the road. I grew up on the prairies and I dont remember the roads being like that there. Am i crazy or is there something different here?

RVThereYet wrote:Paint for road lines used to be lead-based and lasted longer than about 1/2 a season... but lead is bad for the environment so they phased it out


Kind of ironic when you consider all of the toxic chemicals that come off of vehicles. And not to mention road tar.

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Bubalouie » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:17 pm

Bad enough you can't see the lines, then you get the jacked up truck behind you or coming towards you with the new headlights and makes it even worse. :biggrin:

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby GordonH » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:22 pm

Chances are highway maintenance companies use the cheapest approved products available.
When you have to start compromising yourself and your morals for the people around you, it’s probably time to change the people around you.

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby kelbear25 » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:27 pm

Agreed. I find it bad between the airport and sexsmith as well. Harder even to adapt the eyes when there is sections that are lit, and then darkness and lit again.
I also really wish all pedestrian crossing were reviewed for adequate lighting. Often its just relied on for the street lights, that can be half a block away and useless at helping to make pedestrians visible.
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby RVThereYet » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:31 pm

Bubalouie wrote:Bad enough you can't see the lines, then you get the jacked up truck behind you or coming towards you with the new headlights and makes it even worse. :biggrin:


or worse, those fake "new lights" ... putting some cheap pretend HID light bulbs into a housing designed for halogen bulbs and the glare becomes dangerous to oncoming traffic.

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Even Steven » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:36 pm

Palliser wrote:I grew up on the prairies and I dont remember the roads being like that there. Am i crazy or is there something different here?


Yes. As people get old, their vision starts to go.
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby dirtybiker » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Even Steven wrote:Yes. As people get old, their vision starts to go.


What was that ya whipersnapper, I had a hard time
hearing what you wrote.

The weather plays a part, wet and no night sky equals less visability.

The Prairies are more prone to a clear night sky to help 'glow' the road.
Here, we are socked in.
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Ranger66 » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:48 pm

“Chances are highway maintenance companies use the cheapest approved products available.”

Highway maintenance companies use the product that is specified by the authority that tendered the contract, in the case of highway 97 I believe it is a provincial resposability.
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby GordonH » Jan 18th, 2018, 12:58 pm

GordonH wrote:Chances are highway maintenance companies use the cheapest approved products available.

Ranger66 wrote:Highway maintenance companies use the product that is specified by the authority that tendered the contract, in the case of highway 97 I believe it is a provincial resposability.


It's probably the cheapest approved by the Province.
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Brerrabbit18 » Jan 18th, 2018, 2:11 pm

The roads as far as marking around Kelowna are the worst I have ever seen. Driving to work while it is still dark and the roads are wet, it is basically a guessing game as to which lane your in. I have seen at least a hundred close calls in the couple years I've been driving from Rutland to West Kelowna.

Ridiculous to say the least...

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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby Merry » Jan 18th, 2018, 3:24 pm

My hubby made the point that, if we're compromising safety in order to avoid using lead paint, what about all the pollution caused by all the spilled oil and gasoline that results when someone has an accident?
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Re: Visibility at night on local roads

Postby cv23 » Jan 18th, 2018, 3:38 pm

Merry wrote:My hubby made the point that, if we're compromising safety in order to avoid using lead paint, what about all the pollution caused by all the spilled oil and gasoline that results when someone has an accident?

Consider this too....
The new bridge has scuppers ever hundred feet or so on each side with downspouts that empty directly into the lake. All fluids dropped by vehicles onto the bridge, including de-icing fluid which they pour onto the bridge by the tanker truck load in winter, goes straight into our lake.
At least the old bridge contained most of this within it's caissons, where it was pumped out and disposed of responsibly.

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