Height of future downtown buildings.....

Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Even Steven » Feb 23rd, 2018, 3:41 pm

dle wrote:my opposition is that I don't want Kelowna to become a smaller version of Vancouver. I don't find highrises along the waterfront all squashed together esthetically pleasing in the least. There is nothing serene about it for me...

Well, your wish of serenity is better suited in some smaller town, try Lumby or Penticton. Kelowna, on the other hand, is growing, it needs houses for people to live, and downtown is a good place to have high rises.

Personal preference....

Oh, it's fine to have preferences. I, for example, don't like coffee, but I don't go around protesting every single Timmies or Starbucks. Some people like it, they go in there. I don't like it, so I don't. See what I did there? It's called "not thinking the world revolves around me". Give it a try.

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby johnny24 » Feb 23rd, 2018, 5:41 pm

Even Steven wrote:Oh, it's fine to have preferences. I, for example, don't like coffee, but I don't go around protesting every single Timmies or Starbucks. Some people like it, they go in there. I don't like it, so I don't. See what I did there? It's called "not thinking the world revolves around me". Give it a try.


You should really give coffee another try.

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Tootsie » Feb 23rd, 2018, 8:29 pm

For all those that say Ya go for it just keep building more and more and more and higher and higher... I keep thinking have any of those same people taken off their rose-coloured glasses and looked at the infrastructure that is not keeping up with this growth? The increase in traffic, lack of parking ...oh and how about medical services ? Kelowna General Hospital was built to serve 40,000 people. I don't see any new hospitals being built to serve this influx in people. Next time you're waiting in the ER for 5 hours take a moment to be happy about the growth in Kelowna. It WILL effect you or one of your loved ones one day unless infrastructure keeps up with growth. Especially if people are thinking about retiring here. Ageing generation = more trips to hospitals.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby johnny24 » Feb 23rd, 2018, 8:51 pm

Tootsie wrote:For all those that say Ya go for it just keep building more and more and more and higher and higher... I keep thinking have any of those same people taken off their rose-coloured glasses and looked at the infrastructure that is not keeping up with this growth? The increase in traffic, lack of parking ...oh and how about medical services ? Kelowna General Hospital was built to serve 40,000 people. I don't see any new hospitals being built to serve this influx in people. Next time you're waiting in the ER for 5 hours take a moment to be happy about the growth in Kelowna. It WILL effect you or one of your loved ones one day unless infrastructure keeps up with growth. Especially if people are thinking about retiring here. Ageing generation = more trips to hospitals.
Awwww but then again - I'm not a city planner. Oh wait - if I was it wouldn't matter anyway right?


I don't understand the correlation between taller buildings and a need for more hospital services. Are you saying taller buildings attract older people?

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby zerograv » Feb 23rd, 2018, 9:22 pm

Tootsie wrote:For all those that say Ya go for it just keep building more and more and more and higher and higher... I keep thinking have any of those same people taken off their rose-coloured glasses and looked at the infrastructure that is not keeping up with this growth? The increase in traffic, lack of parking ...oh and how about medical services ? Kelowna General Hospital was built to serve 40,000 people. I don't see any new hospitals being built to serve this influx in people. Next time you're waiting in the ER for 5 hours take a moment to be happy about the growth in Kelowna. It WILL effect you or one of your loved ones one day unless infrastructure keeps up with growth. Especially if people are thinking about retiring here. Ageing generation = more trips to hospitals.
Awwww but then again - I'm not a city planner. Oh wait - if I was it wouldn't matter anyway right?


Lol I do recall KGH recently undergoing a major renovation that included an over 400,000 sq. Ft. Addition.

Plus hospitals aren't based on the local population counts, but by the number of patent cases. Which for KGH is projected to be at 40,000 per year by 2020. :smt045
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 23rd, 2018, 9:37 pm

also infrastructure is a lot easier to manage when people live in walking distance of amenities rather than requiring tens of thousands of people to drive an hour through town to get from suburbia to the jobs and services.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Tootsie » Feb 23rd, 2018, 10:57 pm

Easy equation. More people equals more stress for inadequate resourses.

Had to sit in an ER waiting room with an 85 yr old father with a broken back ? I have. It ain't pretty waiting for 5 hrs to be told Oh he has a broken back. Thanks!
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby JayByrd » Feb 23rd, 2018, 11:59 pm

Tootsie wrote:Easy equation. More people equals more stress for inadequate resourses.

Had to sit in an ER waiting room with an 85 yr old father with a broken back ? I have. It ain't pretty waiting for 5 hrs to be told Oh he has a broken back. Thanks!
But keep bringing those condos in....it'll be all good. Here. Drink the purple koolaid.


I had a five hour wait at KGH emerg nearly 30 years ago. Who do I blame for that one?

I agree, infrastructure needs to keep up with population growth. But the population will grow whether we build high rises or not. Or are you suggesting the City halt all new residential construction, until infrastructure (such as a hospital, which is not in the City's purview to build) is in place?
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby WalterWhite » Feb 24th, 2018, 12:41 am

Look, hospital wait times as JayByrd just pointed out have always been that - you wait, because it's based on the level of urgency of your trauma, or lack thereof in relation to others that are being admitted. Sorry if your back's broken, but it's not a mortal injury and in comparison to the construction worker that's just been brought in with a severed femoral artery and two children suffering severe lacerations and head trauma on route from an MVA - your broken back is unfortunately pushed down the scale of urgency - and you wait.

I'll state again what I think a number of others would agree with - Kelowna has reached the point where high rise construction is not just a reality - it's a necessity. We simply can't keep pushing further up into the hills, and let's face it - the percentage of wage earners able to afford a SFD is diminishing as fast as the houses are being put up. Enter high rise living. It's simply the next logical step in Kelowna's growth - one of the fastest in Canada.

To coin an old phrase however - a number of posters here can't see the forest for the trees - or high rises. High rise development, especially that along a natural boundary such as a lakeshore, which is also a massive visual feature any elevated living space wants to take advantage of, requires careful long term planning. The term "massing" is thrown about a lot with regard to this type of planning, and it's to insure that as development grows around the downtown core and lakefront, that it's terraced - stepping higher the further you move away from the lake so as to permit significantly more properties with increased sight lines than you would if let's say, you start with a 33 story tower right on the lakefront. Pretty obvious what the remaining properties directly adjacent and even worse - directly behind are faced with - a not so vista of a view.

Residential subdivision development, particularly on hillside areas have long had building guidelines that prevent houses on the lower side of the road being built too high, so as not to obstruct the sight lines of the property slightly elevated across the road on the uphill side. Common sense, so that everyone can have a view, rather than someone being greedy and denying another property of that right.

That is what is at the core of the Westcorp development variance approval - it's significantly higher - almost double that of what the original OCP stipulated. This single element at the heart of the downtown core has effectively blocked out many of the immediately surrounding properties. Sure, those properties could also now apply for variances to build higher just to keep up with the Jones' - but where does that leave properties the next block or two away from the lake - do you really think 40, 50 or 60 story towers should be required just so those residents can have a chance to enjoy some of the same views enjoyed by those in the Westcorp development now that Basran has simply decided to throw out years of consulting studies and planning that were put in place so that all high density development downtown had the same guidelines, and benefits of those guidelines if followed? Unfortunately they won't because for many of them it will become economically not viable to simply have to build a structure so high that far back from the lake - all because the very first one has simply been permitted to start the process far above what the master plan should have and did allow for.

This is now no different than that one *bleep* every neighborhood seems to have that moves in thinking the rules don't apply to them and builds whatever they want - no matter the consequences to their neighbors - except this time it's got the office of the Mayor of the City of Kelowna's stamp of approval on it - thanks a lot Colin.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Bpeep » Feb 24th, 2018, 1:00 am

WalterWhite wrote:Look, hospital wait times as JayByrd just pointed out have always been that - you wait, because it's based on the level of urgency of your trauma, or lack thereof in relation to others that are being admitted.


Unless icbc or worksafe bc is involved. Then you go to the front of the line. If there's any potential of govt money involved in your ailment, the mitigation of it begins in triage.
They even ask you if your injury pertains to wcb or icbc.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby dle » Feb 24th, 2018, 8:16 am

excellent letter to Castanet today....hope council reads it and pays attention but I won't hold my breath.....

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#219453

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby LANDM » Feb 24th, 2018, 8:26 am

khutchi wrote:
Glacier wrote:There's a shortage of houses in Kelowna. Build the flippin' buildings 40 stories high if you want. Who cares what the NIMBYs say. Better to build up than out.


But the top 15 stories of these tower rarely house any residents in our city. We don't need more houses we need more homes...

Really? Give the examples of all the buildings where the top 15 stories don’t house residents of the city?
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby zerograv » Feb 24th, 2018, 9:15 am

dle wrote:excellent letter to Castanet today....hope council reads it and pays attention but I won't hold my breath.....

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#219453


Did this person present it to council before the meeting or did they attend the meeting to voice their displeasure?

I doubt it....

Everyone seems to want to *bleep* after the fact but none of them could make any effort to actually voice their opinion when it counted. :smt045
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby WalterWhite » Feb 24th, 2018, 10:33 am

zerograv wrote:
dle wrote:excellent letter to Castanet today....hope council reads it and pays attention but I won't hold my breath.....

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#219453


Did this person present it to council before the meeting or did they attend the meeting to voice their displeasure?

I doubt it....

Everyone seems to want to *bleep* after the fact but none of them could make any effort to actually voice their opinion when it counted. :smt045


This current so-called mayor and most members of council have made it very clear they have zero interest in not only the public's opinion (no better example than the recent kangaroo court public hearing on the Tourism Kelowna site) - let alone their own planning and development department experts.
Forget Cialis, Viagra, or Levitra. When you need to get it up fast - reach for new and improved Westcorp. Proud official suppliers of Basran's *bleep*

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby zerograv » Feb 24th, 2018, 12:23 pm

WalterWhite wrote:
zerograv wrote:
Did this person present it to council before the meeting or did they attend the meeting to voice their displeasure?

I doubt it....

Everyone seems to want to *bleep* after the fact but none of them could make any effort to actually voice their opinion when it counted. :smt045


This current so-called mayor and most members of council have made it very clear they have zero interest in not only the public's opinion (no better example than the recent kangaroo court public hearing on the Tourism Kelowna site) - let alone their own planning and development department experts.


They only have zero interest in the puplic's opinion because it didn't go your way, who say's you are the voice of Kelowna's population? The majority of letters/people who showed up to council were supportive of the project. That's all there is to it :up:
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