Height of future downtown buildings.....

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Postby vinnied » Feb 24th, 2018, 12:12 pm

city should be thinking about future development as well. if I was a developer, I certainly wouldnt want to put up a building behind that one unless i could build higher then it. who would buy into it for a decent dollar?. no one wants to look out there window to stare at a building . should be shorter in the front, taller in the back, not vice versa.kinda like a group photo

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby WalterWhite » Feb 24th, 2018, 12:28 pm

vinnied wrote:city should be thinking about future development as well. if I was a developer, I certainly wouldnt want to put up a building behind that one unless i could build higher then it. who would buy into it for a decent dollar?. no one wants to look out there window to stare at a building . should be shorter in the front, taller in the back, not vice versa.kinda like a group photo


Lol - the city does think about those things - however our idiot mayor and several councilors think they know better and choose to completely ignore planning and development staff recommendations coinciding with years of consulting that formed an overall growth and development plan for the downtown core - to simply put a tower of any size wherever they feel it will look nice.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 24th, 2018, 4:24 pm

Lol “so called mayor” um yeah, he was fairly elected by the residents of this city, and went along with the majority wishes of the city.

I know there are some on her loudly crying about it, but you’re in the minority.

This one building isn’t going to suddenly cause every bit of property along water street to turn into a 30 story high rise, but it is in a prime location for a city landmark, and that’s exactly what it is. Get used to Kelowna promotional material displaying it. City maps, postcards, fridge magnets etc. Now ogopogo and the bridge will be joined by this landmark. I can’t wait to see it finished. A shining beacon standing proudly representing the city.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 24th, 2018, 5:11 pm

Anyone that owns property within this map should be really happy about how much their values will go up over the next 10-15 years.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Feb 24th, 2018, 7:17 pm

A shining pylon is more like it.
I know at least one property owner down there, that is unhappy with it.... probably more..
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby voice of reason » Feb 24th, 2018, 7:26 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Lol “so called mayor” um yeah, he was fairly elected by the residents of this city, and went along with the majority wishes of the city.

I know there are some on her loudly crying about it, but you’re in the minority.

This one building isn’t going to suddenly cause every bit of property along water street to turn into a 30 story high rise, but it is in a prime location for a city landmark, and that’s exactly what it is. Get used to Kelowna promotional material displaying it. City maps, postcards, fridge magnets etc. Now ogopogo and the bridge will be joined by this landmark. I can’t wait to see it finished. A shining beacon standing proudly representing the city.

like a giant penis

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby WalterWhite » Feb 24th, 2018, 7:28 pm

Omnitheo wrote:Lol “so called mayor” um yeah, he was fairly elected by the residents of this city, and went along with the majority wishes of the city.

I know there are some on her loudly crying about it, but you’re in the minority.

This one building isn’t going to suddenly cause every bit of property along water street to turn into a 30 story high rise, but it is in a prime location for a city landmark, and that’s exactly what it is. Get used to Kelowna promotional material displaying it. City maps, postcards, fridge magnets etc. Now ogopogo and the bridge will be joined by this landmark. I can’t wait to see it finished. A shining beacon standing proudly representing the city.


- and like many - you're missing the point. Sustainable growth and planning for such has been thrown out the window by permitting this variance to go ahead. By allowing this, every potential development currently in the works and those still to come now have the realization that there's pretty much a clean slate with regard to the planned development of the downtown core - and that's not only wrong, it's downright scary.

Eta: following the comment preceding this, I have to also point out the last sentence in your post - to think that some such as yourself see this as a proud representation of the city is simply disappointing and just reinforces the overall character of what's become known as the typical Kelownian that's taken residence in this town in the last 10-12 years. Yup, real proud to have a giant phallic symbol proudly representing our town. Certainly fitting - there's enough of them that have moved here in those same years.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Bpeep » Feb 24th, 2018, 7:45 pm

The process bears similarity to the 50 + unit complex Smithwick is putting on mcurdy and rutland road.
The entire local neighborhood was against it, and they're the ones who have to live with it, but Basran passed it anyway.
That 9 million of donated money and donated property leaves lots left to grease those to make sure it passed, regardless what the local residents wanted.
I see one house right behind that venture recently sold. Good for him.

This mayor and council is systemically flawed. Imo there's much more behind what's seen and imo it's fuelled by greed and avarice .
They've already went way beyond losing all my trust. It's become irrepairable. I can't wait to see them go.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby jpj » Feb 24th, 2018, 8:55 pm

If the NDP government goes ahead with their proposed "Speculation tax" on fellow Canadians, I don't think anyone needs to worry about the height of future condo towers for quite some time. I can't imagine that any of the current proposed projects will proceed after what they have proposed. Further, I think that condo projects currently under construction might run into problems as people consider walking away from their deposits.

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby dle » Feb 25th, 2018, 8:02 am

WalterWhite wrote:
Omnitheo wrote:Lol “so called mayor” um yeah, he was fairly elected by the residents of this city, and went along with the majority wishes of the city.

I know there are some on her loudly crying about it, but you’re in the minority.

This one building isn’t going to suddenly cause every bit of property along water street to turn into a 30 story high rise, but it is in a prime location for a city landmark, and that’s exactly what it is. Get used to Kelowna promotional material displaying it. City maps, postcards, fridge magnets etc. Now ogopogo and the bridge will be joined by this landmark. I can’t wait to see it finished. A shining beacon standing proudly representing the city.


- and like many - you're missing the point. Sustainable growth and planning for such has been thrown out the window by permitting this variance to go ahead. By allowing this, every potential development currently in the works and those still to come now have the realization that there's pretty much a clean slate with regard to the planned development of the downtown core - and that's not only wrong, it's downright scary.

Eta: following the comment preceding this, I have to also point out the last sentence in your post - to think that some such as yourself see this as a proud representation of the city is simply disappointing and just reinforces the overall character of what's become known as the typical Kelownian that's taken residence in this town in the last 10-12 years. Yup, real proud to have a giant phallic symbol proudly representing our town. Certainly fitting - there's enough of them that have moved here in those same years.


Agreed WalterWhite, and if I might, I would like to add that council has set precedent by going against what is set in place for development standards without following the proper channels to modify those rules etc. This council most certainly has let it be known loud and clear that rules, plans, covenants and the advice of those hired to provide that expert advice are basically meaningless and are meant to be tossed aside. Kelowna becomes a free-for-all with no direction. I think council needs to get back to the basics. If they want the OCP changed there are ways to do it properly, not because a developer blows into town with the (golden) egg money and demands it.

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Terris » Feb 25th, 2018, 10:27 am

JLives wrote: Who cares? Seriously. I own one of the closest residential properties to downtown. I still have to walk to the lake to see the lake. It will be just fine and it beats the heck out our hillsides covered in houses.


So...

Using this logic, are you proposing that these highrises are more suitable because they block the views of houses built away from town and on hillsides or that these hillside houses are an impediment to the views of owners of these hamster box highrises ??

I don't see either as desirable but in lieu of solid city planning my vote goes for preservation of the original townsite corridor.

It should be a place that welcomes all residents and visitors instead of creating an exclusion area for the wealthy and entitled.

What about the values of seeing the sky and having sunshine spread evenly among the whole city?

No sir...

These highrises are a pollution unto themselves and it won't be long before we will require 100's of millions in tax increases to pay for infrastructure upgrades just to provide water for these resource sucking behemoths let alone all the associated costs of traffic flows, septic increases etc..

Currently, Kelowna is at the mercy of the $ale$ pitching real estate "indu$try". We need to change this community destroying paradigm before it's too late...
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 25th, 2018, 11:20 am

I assure you I have been here for far more than 10-15 years, as have the majority of people at the council meeting who expressed their desire to see this tower.

If you think that this or other towers look like a penis, I suggest you go see your doctor.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby dle » Feb 25th, 2018, 11:41 am

Omnitheo wrote:I assure you I have been here for far more than 10-15 years, as have the majority of people at the council meeting who expressed their desire to see this tower.

If you think that this or other towers look like a penis, I suggest you go see your doctor.


That's pretty funny :D !

I suspect that a lot of the people who where there in favour of it are people who will PROFIT from it's existence in one way or another...either directly, or perhaps indirectly with future development plans of their own that they want to push through. Getting our council to accept the modifications to Westcorp gives them the "in" they need to push ahead with their own agendas that might not be allowed under the current OCP. Which, obviously, isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Will it bring more tourists? Sure. Will that benefit the City? Sure. What it won't do is uphold the OCP. What it won't do is preserve the lakeside in that area. What is will do is encourage and set precedent for more lake building, higher towers, more "exceptions" to the rules allowed, etc.

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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby 60-YEARS-in-Ktown » Feb 25th, 2018, 12:04 pm

JLives wrote:
dle wrote:It's not the height of the buildings that is a problem for me. My problem is their placement ON THE LAKE! I don't agree with that. The placements of proposed future possible sites are all fine with me - AT ANY HEIGHT - as long as they are back from the lake and spread out.


Who cares? Seriously. I own one of the closest residential properties to downtown. I still have to walk to the lake to see the lake. It will be just fine and it beats the heck out our hillsides covered in houses.

Ahh but did you lose your Lakeview or never have One ?
If you never had one you didn't lose that .
In the building we were in in the Northend we could see the lake from the rooftop, when we were first there, now you cannot.
That made a difference to me, as did losing the view of the lake from Water at Queensway .
They better Damn well not rename Water when you can't see the Water anymore... and that is coming fast.
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Re: Height of future downtown buildings.....

Postby Omnitheo » Feb 25th, 2018, 12:39 pm

So you had to climb onto the roof to even get a view?

A view like that doesn’t take a tower to eliminate. It takes a tree or a 1 story building.
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