Impaled by needle at beach

[Catsumi]

I agree with dle's post regarding working for a paycheque.

CBC radio at noon devoted one hour to discussion about the fire situation here in the Okanagan. One of the points brought up was how necessary it is to have underbrush and weed cleanup done as soon as possible to reduce fuel for fires.

Here we have a potential labour force, (some, not all) that could earn some money, do the public service thing, and who knows, benefits all around?

However, being a realist in this very strange world that has come about, I don't reckon I will ever see this happen, but at least it is a solution that is being put forward to cut down on the numbers milking the system and giving zip back.

[Quest]

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-231400-1-.htm#231400

They give free needles out so addicts don't use dirty needles, protect them from themselves. The needles are then strewn everywhere, putting the entire population at risk. Why is 99% of the population being risked over people who don't care about what they do to themselves, never mind others? SHUT DOWN NEEDLE HANDOUTS

I believe that the needle exchange program was instituted to curtail the rapid spread of HIV related diseases. The "EXCHANGE" program should be reinstituted.

Yes, I heard we are going to a high rust for HIV with the young population

[Hornswoggle]

https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... ng-in-lake

Welcome to Kelowna, bring a metal detector to scan the beach before you lay your blanket down. Then take your chances when you go in that less than desirable water.

Also, you have to stop putting people's names in news articles, and pictures in my opinion https://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/2 ... ng-in-lake

You want this woman being harassed too? Remove names Maddison Erhardt,

And keep up the good job Mayor Basran, your city is lookin real pretty

[voice of reason]

is there still people who are claiming downtown isnt a craphole at this point?

[vegas1500]

is there still people who are claiming downtown isnt a craphole at this point?

It really is sad it’s come to this. Remember as a kid we couldn’t wait to get to the beach. Now w e have to dodge needles. I dont know the answer but something needs to be done soon. It’s only a matter of time before the city is named in a law suite....if they haven’t been already.

[rookie314]

Good thing my dog isn’t allowed on the beach. Saves him from getting impaled.

[Scrobins94]

Unfortunately Castanet's reporting hasn't been very good quality. But it's one of the few local news reporting agencies. I wonder if there are any hiring requirements for their reporters and editors. Too many advertisements masked as "news".

[alanjh595]

Good thing my dog isn’t allowed on the beach. Saves him from getting impaled.

Good to see the city bylaws are more adapt at looking after the welfare of our dogs than it is at the safety of our children. Good job CoK.

[dle]

I agree with this putting them to work idea. Whoever said there are no free-handouts in life never lived around here. Unless one is physically or mentally disabled, what is wrong with asking them to do some community service in exchange for their payday? Maybe a suggestion could be that before they could pick up their welfare cheque they should be given a work exchange ticket. They go to the place assigned, do the work, the foreman stamps the ticket. They take the ticket to the pogey office and hand it in. They get handed back a check. I don't see what's wrong with this at all. Fosters a sense of community, work for pay makes one feel good - especially if they are used to people calling them no-good bums. Gets them away from loitering on the streets for a while and gives them a sense of purpose and belonging. We work, we get a paycheck. That's how it goes.

I also agree but, why do they have to work here? Why not work at a self-supporting camp? Where they will be provided with accommodations and services, as well as jobs within that camp?
They can still have 3 squares and a cot in a private room, those that are able bodied can do many things to provide services to all the other residents. Whatever needs to be done, from garbage collection to cooking, and food delivery duties for those that are too disabled to get themselves to the mess hall.
Something.....anything to help others that are even less fortunate than themselves. It would give them a sense of self-worth and pride in themselves, and that they have value and something to add.

They don't have to work here as far as I'm concerned and I like your idea but I have a feeling someone would soon be jumping on the "interfering with their civil rights" bandwagon. I can hear them saying it's not right to uproot them and move them from the City they choose to live in against their protests - they want their rights acknowledged (to heck with ours). So, I don't know how we would get them to any kind of "camp" - that would be like a "sentence" so I guess it would have to come from a Judge. Only way the Judge would get to hand down that sentence was if someone got arrested and found themselves in front of the Judge. Since we don't arrest around here (hopefully that is also in the winds of change), if someone just went around and scooped them off the street and plopped them in the camp I can hear screams of kidnapping. Then to keep them there it would have to be gated, locked etc, so add confinement to kidnapping. How do you see this working? I think we'd wind up with a "sitcheeashun" lol!

However, if there was such a camp, or ranch, set up and they could be convinced voluntarily to go that would be another thing. So does this camp exist, or does that need to go on the wish list too? I'm willing to bet there would definitely be some takers if it was offered to them as a way to get off the streets and off drugs or out of a lifestyle they really want to escape.

[alanjh595]

I did not say "force" them to go. I am simply giving them limited options, they have the choice as to what they want to do for themselves, after they have been deemed medically and psychologically competent to make that choice.
Of course they would still be required to spend 48 hours in holding and be examined by a psychiatrist that can either place them in a 72 hour observation for evaluation under the Mental Health Act. That is 5 days before they could possibly be set free.
If they return to where they were, they will be looking at repeating the process again.
Wash, rinse, and repeat as many times as necessary until they get the hint or get the help. It's their choice.

[dle]

I did not say "force" them to go. I am simply giving them limited options, they have the choice as to what they want to do for themselves, after they have been deemed medically and psychologically competent to make that choice.
Of course they would still be required to spend 48 hours in holding and be examined by a psychiatrist that can either place them in a 72 hour observation for evaluation under the Mental Health Act. That is 5 days before they could possibly be set free.
If they return to where they were, they will be looking at repeating the process again.
Wash, rinse, and repeat as many times as necessary until they get the hint or get the help. It's their choice.

I get you...but where are they when you give them these "limited options"? They would have to be in some kind of situation that they are forced to make a choice - like being in front of a Judge - is that what you mean? That means there has to be an arrest or confinement of some sort which our City doesn't seem to have the appetite to use as a deterrent.

Or are you saying the cops would have discretionary powers to say to them on the spot in the park when they are shooting up, ok, busted, here are your options (1) charges and jailtime (2) alanjh595's work camp featuring mandatory rehab, working at an assigned job etc after the assessments you list, (3) a ride to mandatory 2 mo detox with monthly drug-testing upon release or back in they go (does one even exist?) etc?

[alanjh595]

I get you...but where are they when you give them these "limited options"? They would have to be in some kind of situation that they are forced to make a choice - like being in front of a Judge - is that what you mean? That means there has to be an arrest or confinement of some sort which our City doesn't seem to have the appetite to use as a deterrent.

Or are you saying the cops would have discretionary powers to say to them on the spot in the park when they are shooting up, ok, busted, here are your options (1) charges and jailtime (2) alanjh595's work camp featuring mandatory rehab, working at an assigned job etc after the assessments you list, (3) a ride to mandatory 2 mo detox with monthly drug-testing upon release or back in they go (does one even exist?) etc?

Not quite, I am trying to say that the police detain and escort a "suspect" to an area within the park, let's say it is a tent. There they will be searched (body and belongings) for anything illegal. Just like at the airport.
Possession of a shopping cart would be enough start the process. (It is stolen property after all). Police then can arrest and detain that person for 48 hours, to present their case to Crown Council for subsequent charges.
If they show any psychological abnormalities that gives any sign that this person may be a danger to himself or others, he can be referred to a psychiatrist for further assessment.
That Dr. can then put a 72 hour "hold for observation" under the Mental Health Act. That would be 5 days of medical and psychological examinations.
If at the end of that hold, the patient is stabilized and have found mentally capable of "checking out" then they can be released their own regnasence. If not, they go to a facility (that I have described earlier) for rehab/treatment/or therapy as needed. 6 month stay as a minimum. (No barbed wire, no guards, free wifi, food, shelter (private room), dental, medical, access to social workers, recreation hall, occupational therapy/retraining, TV, and computers.
They don't have to work if they don't want to, but they can earn money in their account for their release day to help them start a new life.
They would also have the choice to walk away from that camp, anytime they choose. The camp would be located 25 kms. from the Coq. connector and there would be signs posted on the Coq. making it illegal and punishable by law to pick-up hitch hikers. If they choose to leave, they better be prepared to walk back to town, and that would be about 100 kms. No body is going to come out looking for the missing, they are on their own.
If they make their way back into the city, they will be picked up and herded back through the same process again. It's their choice.

[featfan]

Here is a place to get people clean and give them a chance at a life.
I`m sure there is lots of stuff that needs doing there to keep it going.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/k ... s-are.html

Oh well further digging looks like it will be used for LNG

[Am123]

You're all thinking like contributing citizens though....
Years ago a company I used to work for hired 12 or so temp labourers from labour ready or whatever for COG tare down. It was always the same with them, 1 or 2 were sober and hard up on their luck, the rest were in withdrawals. This one year we had 2 guys ditch out on paid work cause they saw all these cans laying around and couldn't resist the urge.
I was blown away....these guys had a real job for a day and they would rather pick up cans.

You put homeless to work, they're entitled to EI/other benefits and there will be a pandemic of them with false injury claims.

[alanjh595]

Here is a place to get people clean and give them a chance at a life.
I`m sure there is lots of stuff that needs doing there to keep it going.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/k ... s-are.html

Oh well further digging looks like it will be used for LNG

That is a great place to relocate these indigents from all over the province. I have looked at this before. Here are some more photos of that ready-to-go community that would be an ideal location.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=Kitsault ... 60&bih=635