Rutland has done its share....Castanet article

[voice of reason]

its too bad rutland has no one to step up and be their spokesperson to represent them against kelowna. they need a leader or advocate much like Ben Lee was in the past

[Kareem a-Weet]

Can a mayor and/or council be impeached?

[hutton]

Should be on billboards all over town

[alanjh595]

I say that, "Rutland has done enough". There should be a moratorium on any new facilities for at least 10 years. See how these work out, and then maybe remove that moratorium if they become beneficial to all those that had made Rutland vibrant as it was when they purchased property there.
(I hope that comes out as well as my intentions were when writing it).
Rutland has done it's fair share, and then some.

[vinnied]

We live in a over 55 park on Findlay Rd. We have always had undesirables walking through this park and see transients at the near by wetland park . But early this evening we had a run in with a young guy on a bicylcle going through the park and looking into peoples garages, you could tell he was looking for something to steal. I had just pulled into the garage with my car, and my partner who is sick with cancer was confronting this guy and telling him " You Don't belong in this park" The guy shouted back that he was living with his Grandpa, My partner said what number and he mumbled something , I then told him he needed to move on !! He then started coming for us and we quickly went inside I also yelled I was phoning the police.
When we were inside I was phoning 911 to get the police , My partner yelled at him What the Hell are you doing and he was picking up a large rock threatening to throw it through our front window, we were terrified. He then left on his bike, I followed where he was going as I was on the phone to police telling him where he was going, he starting coming back and went to a mobile accross from us and took a door out of the garage and put it on his shoulder and speed away on his bike down a path to McCurdy St !! I couldn't believe it. I should also add that I grabbed a metal baseball bat from my bedroom closet in case he came back at us !!!
I read the article about the counsel meeting approving the next facility on McCurdy and Rutland Rd and the Colin Basaran said that we all needed to back them on this, Mr Mayor why don't we build a wet facilty near where you live !!! I have seen first hand what is happening in Rutland and its getting SCARY. The other day I was in IGA and the police were escorted a crazed junkie out of the store and after that they had a security guard posted at the front door.
After our altercation tonight was talking with the police officer who said he lived in Rutland and he has seen first hand the increase in crime in Rutland with the opening of the facilties. He also said he has voiced his opposition to them falling on deaf ears . In his opinion he figures our current city counsel is trying to clean up the downtown because of all of the high end apartment towers and moving all the trouble into Rutland. He suggested everyone to voice your opposition to city counsel and to our MLA.
What happened to us tonight has left us shaken , we keep our doors locked during the day and night and a baseball bat by the door. We need to stand up and say no more for Rutland and build these new facilitate in other parts of the city and also we need more police protection in Rutland !!!!!

Best thing for you folks to do now that the govt funded drug house is being built, is close off public access to your park, and turn it into a gated community.
Also lose the trail that cuts through from Mcurdy. That path is such easy access, and is at least half your problem of undesirables right there.

[vinnied]

I guess that is the point. If you can see just fine, then open your eyes. There are posters on this forum, facebook groups, and those that live around the area that have identified Mac's as an issue. This isn't made up, unless by those posters, in order to try and stir fear. So they see it, but you don't. Is it happening or isn't it?

No. Now it may happen every now and then, it happens everywhere like that, but for someone to say your school kid can go to a mac's store in the middle of the day in plain view and get there supply of Heroin, from a dealer, I dont believe to be true.

[craigor46]

Sure there is supportive housing in other parts of Kelowna but those developments usually have rules when living there. It is mainly in Rutland or on the boundaries of Rutland where NO barrier supportive housing exists. Other areas of Kelowna may not have the same problems because the residents of those supportive housing places are in recovery, there are rules, no use of drugs, and they are trying to live a better life. Touting that there is supportive housing in other parts of Kelowna gives a false impression of where the trouble making and criminal element street entrenched people are being dropped into.

Rutland neighbourhoods are getting these people. They are often stealing to survive and to get their next drug fix. The street entrenched have a different way of thinking and living, they have learned how to manipulate the systems, they have their own rules and really don't care about regular people's property or lives, that is who most Rutland people are worried is being parachuted into their neighbourhoods. I'd be a bit more sympathetic if I was guaranteed that a police check was done before they were given housing and a guarantee that residents of these facilities will have no record, even of petty crime, for a long time. Otherwise I have no sympathy for the criminal element who live on the street (or elsewhere). They have already proven they don't want to live by society's rules and they don't care about others.

This is not NIMBY this is trying to keep our neighbourhood children, seniors, and vulnerable safe, this is wanting to limit the amount of street entrenched in our neighbourhood, this is suggesting other parts of the city need to share in taking on some of the troublemakers and criminal element who are street entrenched.

This is also about not trusting the bureaucracy to care about the neighbourhoods we live in, their focus is only on the homeless. This is about not trusting that those living in safe communities in other areas, such as the upper Mission or elsewhere, care that people in Rutland want to feel just as safe as they do. This worry we have is that even our elected officials don't care who they are forcing into our community, they don't care about our safety in the community, they don't care about the characterization of our community. This is not about the seniors, or disabled, or the workers, those who have lost their home and can't find an affordable alternative, this is about the criminal element and the loss of security we now feel in our own neighbourhoods and our own homes.

BRAVO !!!! So very well articulated exactly why I don't feel safe in my own home and neighborhood , Thank you so very much for putting into words all the things and many others feel, we really need someone to be a advocate for the people of Rutland against Mayor Basaran !!!

[the truth]

can all the people of rutland pitch in and get a top notch lawyer to put a stop to this concerning activity by basran and his clowns

[wanderer]

BC Housing doing a little bit of promotion for the McCurdy development, I hope people go and ask some hard realistic questions instead of looking at the story boards and meekly going away because "it's already a done deal". Ask the hard questions, demand the real answers.

https://www.ourrutland.ca/news/story/18 ... utland_Rd/
Below is a letter received from Renée Schisler of the BC Housing Community Relations Team in regards to housing on Mccurdy + Rutland Rd. This letter was sent to neighbours within a 300 metre radius of 130 McCurdy Road.There will be opportunity to express your support and ask questions.

Date: Wednesday, June 26

Time: 5:30 pm – 7:00 pm

Place: Rutland Centennial Hall, 180 Rutland Road N

In the mean time BC Housing welcomes any questions

[zoo]

URBA and BC Housing doing a little bit of promotion for the McCurdy development,

In the mean time BC Housing welcomes any questions

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You want to see how far screwed up this whole drug environment is,,,go to this meeting. Few months back I attended the one for the wet facility being built on Mcintosh rd. What a load of crap, a complete, fabricated marketing display is put out for you to witness. Boards with drawings of the buildings and how nice they look. Side walks with elderly people walking by on the sidewalk. couple of kids riding bikes, flowers, grass. Wow, they just blend right in. A pie graph showing a highlighted red portion pertaining to 25% of the occupancies of the building. Women and children. No discussion on the other 75% and who makes it up. Like its a sell job to us that they need to sell us on the lowest amount of residents and of course they use women as a why to get to our cold hearts. Then asks questions, a bunch of college kids working for BC Housing that have bought into the scheme, that state they have never seen crime increase around one of their facilities. That they need to be built close to everything as to make it easy on them to get around. Unlike everyone else that needs to ride the bus for 15 min to get places, or god forbid walk 5 blocks.
Go to this meeting, see first hand the amount of bull crap that people buy into. They are not interested at all in anything you question or state. They are doing this merely for the sake of pretending they care and want to include us and listen. Not.

[vinnied]

from the above link.

Is this facility going to allow drug use on site such as similar facilities do nearby? Or will it be prohibited? I'm worried about the safety of the surrounding area once it's built, including the school and the hospice facility
skyshroud6 asked 7 days ago
The new homes with on-site supports will be open to people who meet the eligibility criteria, which does not restrict substance use. However, those who are active in their recovery and receiving support from community-based agencies will get priority for this housing.

Applicants will go through a thorough assessment process which will identify people committed to recovery and ensure they’re receiving the appropriate community based supports.

You cant mix recovering addicts with others that use. Its a lose lose situation, and is a very ignorant thing to do to those trying to stay clean. I thought the people running these places were somewhat educated.

[the truth]

from the above link.

Is this facility going to allow drug use on site such as similar facilities do nearby? Or will it be prohibited? I'm worried about the safety of the surrounding area once it's built, including the school and the hospice facility
skyshroud6 asked 7 days ago
The new homes with on-site supports will be open to people who meet the eligibility criteria, which does not restrict substance use. However, those who are active in their recovery and receiving support from community-based agencies will get priority for this housing.

Applicants will go through a thorough assessment process which will identify people committed to recovery and ensure they’re receiving the appropriate community based supports.

You cant mix recovering addicts with others that use. Its a lose lose situation, and is a very ignorant thing to do to those trying to stay clean. I thought the people running these places were somewhat educated.

yes so called educated, that is why its all f up, a piece of paper on there wall means nothing, the people in charge of this project proves that

[Grandan]

its too bad rutland has no one to step up and be their spokesperson to represent them against kelowna. they need a leader or advocate much like Ben Lee was in the past

Oh, boy. Is that how it is? Kelowna against Rutland? Rutland was absorbed by the City of Kelowna under direction of the provincial government. Prior to that Rutland was a failed town with inadequate tax base to provide for the needs of the community. I believe Kelowna subsidizes Rutland,so get used to it.
Don't forget that Kelowna also swallowed both the Mission and Glenmore to no detrimental effect.

[WalterWhite]

its too bad rutland has no one to step up and be their spokesperson to represent them against kelowna. they need a leader or advocate much like Ben Lee was in the past

Oh, boy. Is that how it is? Kelowna against Rutland? Rutland was absorbed by the City of Kelowna under direction of the provincial government. Prior to that Rutland was a failed town with inadequate tax base to provide for the needs of the community. I believe Kelowna subsidizes Rutland,so get used to it.
Don't forget that Kelowna also swallowed both the Mission and Glenmore to no detrimental effect.

Yes - and just look at all the supportive housing projects slated for Mission and Glenmore - said no one ever.

[vinnied]

Yes - and just look at all the supportive housing projects slated for Mission and Glenmore - said no one ever.

nope, and they never will either.
Rutland has become kelowna's dumping ground. Rutland rd will soon look like Leon Ave, except now it will be the school kids having to step over the drug addicts, and stepping on needles. Oh well as long as they can clean up the downtown.