What to do with that blank report card

[KGT]

Well, I guess we agree then. Teachers get paid a fair wage. They should also agree to a net zero on their salaries, as I suggested earlier - these are tough times and we all need to tighten our belts. However....the "self-serving and egotistical" comment is a little much - especially since I have never been a public school teacher. I just firmly believe that teachers and brewmasters and parents have the most important jobs.

And winemakers....

[glassmaster]

And don't forget waitresses ... they serve the beer and wine to our teachers and other professionals. If they are lucky ... they even get a tip.

[edwardv]

Nope, I'm asking them to spend the money they already have, in the right places.

This is where our perceptions differ KGT. You see this as you-against-the-goverment. To me you're one of them, bellying up to the trough once again, looking for a bigger supply of the infinite pie, oblivious to everyone's plight but your own.

I find this a little hard to take when the government constantly cries about no money and net zero but continues to give there friends huge bonuses and salaries. Who is really the one bellying up to the trough. The teacher trying to keep up with inflation or the CEO's making millions off your tax dollar?

30 Million - boss power
6 million Basi / Virk
Millions to hydro IPP
1 Million salary to David Hahn
Hydro Bonuses to Managers for loosing money with creative accounting.
and there are many more examples.

It starts at the top, when the Government starts telling its CEO friends that they have to take net zero or wage roll backs then they can start passing it along to the workers.

[glassmaster]

It starts at the top, when the Government starts telling its CEO friends that they have to take net zero or wage roll backs then they can start passing it along to the workers.

So your logic is that CEO's are all friends of Government Officials ... and that CEO's are grossly overpaid. The Teachers cure for that is to show everyone who is the boss. They will do this by demanding (extorting) more money during a time of fiscal restraint ... and will continue making those demands until CEO's (and the Government) are financially forced to their knees. You would like us 'regular folk' to believe that they (teachers and unions) are fighting against big bad Corporations and the heads of those Corporations ... maybe you can even convince us that it is a noble cause. I don't think so ed. Realistically, they are fighting for their own gain ... and will fight against anyone who is in opposition to the demands being made by the Union and its membership.

[-fluffy-]

Nope, I'm asking them to spend the money they already have, in the right places.

This is where our perceptions differ KGT. You see this as you-against-the-goverment. To me you're one of them, bellying up to the trough once again, looking for a bigger supply of the infinite pie, oblivious to everyone's plight but your own.

I find this a little hard to take when the government constantly cries about no money and net zero but continues to give there friends huge bonuses and salaries. Who is really the one bellying up to the trough. The teacher trying to keep up with inflation or the CEO's making millions off your tax dollar?

Not so surprising once you see that they're all cut from the same cloth.

[KGT]

Nope, I'm asking them to spend the money they already have, in the right places.

This is where our perceptions differ KGT. You see this as you-against-the-goverment. To me you're one of them, bellying up to the trough once again, looking for a bigger supply of the infinite pie, oblivious to everyone's plight but your own.

I find this a little hard to take when the government constantly cries about no money and net zero but continues to give there friends huge bonuses and salaries. Who is really the one bellying up to the trough. The teacher trying to keep up with inflation or the CEO's making millions off your tax dollar?

Not so surprising once you see that they're all cut from the same cloth.

LOL million dollar CEO's and teacher cut from the same cloth. Right.

[-fluffy-]

LOL million dollar CEO's and teacher cut from the same cloth. Right.

Sure, both think they're feasting at some bottomless cornucopia. It's just a matter of degree.

[Logitack]

the LRB has ruled and said again that....

B.C.’s teachers can keep drawing their full salary and do not have to fill out report cards in their ongoing contract dispute the provincial government, a labour tribunal has ruled.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ml?cmp=rss

[Tony]

I might ask once again......is there a more important job than teaching our children?

What an arrogant self serving attitude. There are tons - fireman, policeman, parent, farmer/rancher to name a few - and every one of these can be done without massive education. An attitude like that certainly will not gain you any support - what little I had for you is totally gone now.

Teachers need to wake up and smell the roses, quit whining and go back to work and be thankful you have a job. There's lots of people out there who would love to make half of what you're making just to help put food on the family table or maybe to pay the utilities, or maybe to get a warm place to sleep tonight.

If you are so high and mighty, then why is it that for several years - not sure if it's the same now - spelling wasn't that important because (as my brother was told about my nephew) "we don't want to ruin his creative ability"? Spelling is one of the most important things anyone can learn - without it communication is lost. Go ahead and take a resume in to a job interview with countless spelling errors - you won't get the job, guaranteed.

I understand most teachers love what they do. That's great. So do your job, quit letting the union get under your skin, and be thankful that you have a job.

[Rwede]

There is an argument that says we need an annual raise equal to any rise in the cost of living in order to break even so to speak, but in reality, how many of us have kept up to that? I'm for realistic compensation taking into account education, experience, working conditions, prevailing rates of pay in your given trade, and current economic conditions. We are currently in a time where the operative word would be "restraint".

Then why is the govt spending 1.2 billion dollars on a Telus deal for education?

You'll never understand what maintaining and developing infrastructure for longterm efficiency gains is all about, so I won't bother.

Tell me how your value to your employer has increased 24%.

[KGT]

There is an argument that says we need an annual raise equal to any rise in the cost of living in order to break even so to speak, but in reality, how many of us have kept up to that? I'm for realistic compensation taking into account education, experience, working conditions, prevailing rates of pay in your given trade, and current economic conditions. We are currently in a time where the operative word would be "restraint".

Then why is the govt spending 1.2 billion dollars on a Telus deal for education?

You'll never understand what maintaining and developing infrastructure for longterm efficiency gains is all about, so I won't bother.

Tell me how your value to your employer has increased 24%.

Where do you get the figure of 24%? The BCTF has not tabled a wage increase proposal. There has been talk about the difference in wages with Alberta or Ontario but they have not given a figure yet.

[Tony]

Once again - if you want to make what they make in Alberta or Ontario - MOVE THERE! For an educated person, you don't seem to get the basics of simple logic.

[Rwede]

There is an argument that says we need an annual raise equal to any rise in the cost of living in order to break even so to speak, but in reality, how many of us have kept up to that? I'm for realistic compensation taking into account education, experience, working conditions, prevailing rates of pay in your given trade, and current economic conditions. We are currently in a time where the operative word would be "restraint".

Then why is the govt spending 1.2 billion dollars on a Telus deal for education?

You'll never understand what maintaining and developing infrastructure for longterm efficiency gains is all about, so I won't bother.

Tell me how your value to your employer has increased 24%.

Where do you get the figure of 24%? The BCTF has not tabled a wage increase proposal. There has been talk about the difference in wages with Alberta or Ontario but they have not given a figure yet.

Yeah right. Now you're trying to play silly bugger. You know what the demand is, and it's 24% for "parity," plus 10 paid days off to grieve when you kill a fly in the bathroom, plus 6 paid months off if you only wound the fly and want to nurse it back to health.

That's downright vulgar.

And still, you can't demonstrate to me how your value to your employer has increased the 2% you banter around on here.

[Captain77]

KGT wrote

In our last contract, the mediator, Vince Ready, set class size and composition limits which have been in place for the past 5 (6?) years. When I said it isn't a huge problem, it's because those limits have been in place and therefore, for the most part, have been enforced. And, as I also said, the class composition laws have not been enforced because they are not as easy to enforce.

Can you admit you were mistaken KGT? Vince Ready did NOT set class size and composition limits. Legislation did, and that was in 2002. What Vince Ready did, is put some paramaters around consultation and reporting.

The most telling thing you've said though, is that

Class size isn't a huge issue right now

Good to hear.
The examples of gov't overspending in other areas sounds like desparate measures to defend yourselves, and nothing more. If they can do it - why can't we. Well, for one thing, your demands equals 3 1/2 billion - your examples amount to a fraction of one percent of that.

[KGT]

You'll never understand what maintaining and developing infrastructure for longterm efficiency gains is all about, so I won't bother.

Tell me how your value to your employer has increased 24%.

Where do you get the figure of 24%? The BCTF has not tabled a wage increase proposal. There has been talk about the difference in wages with Alberta or Ontario but they have not given a figure yet.

Yeah right. Now you're trying to play silly bugger. You know what the demand is, and it's 24% for "parity," plus 10 paid days off to grieve when you kill a fly in the bathroom, plus 6 paid months off if you only wound the fly and want to nurse it back to health.

That's downright vulgar.

And still, you can't demonstrate to me how your value to your employer has increased the 2% you banter around on here.

As far as I've heard, there is no specific wage increase proposal on the table yet. Perhaps one has been tabled in the last 2-3 days that I'm unaware of. I will look into it and if I'm wrong, I will retract my statement.

Edited to add: I've confirmed with a BCTF exec that no wage proposal has been tabled. You can check this on the BCPSEA website.