Prison for Lumby

[bob vernon]

It is because this seat is in jeopardy that the Liberals will wait until the election campaign to make all these announcements. It is likely, but far from a sure thing, that the Liberals will lose the next provincial election, but they will make as many of these announcements during the campaign to get as much publicity as possible. The pressure on them to do something about the hospital is mounting, but they can tolerate another couple of months. It isn't about doing the right thing for patients, it's always about PR DURING a campaign. Not before.

The prison, the hospital, the OK College playing fields give Eric approximately an announcement per week during the campaign.
Again...... it isn't about a long term view or doing what's right. With the Liberals right now, it's about doing what can get votes.

[SVillage]

I am finding it scary that I agree with you, Bob Vernon. I wish I weren't as cynical as I have become, but I believe you and I don't even know who you are.

[lostsurferinbc]

bye bye liberals, dont let the door hit you on the way out

[NotNorthAnymore]

bye bye liberals, dont let the door hit you on the way out

hoot wrote:
Just reread the information bulletin regarding the Okanagan prison sent out by the provincial Government.

http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_release ... 001539.htm

According to the attached map the OIB location is way out of the proposed area required to site the new jail.

Did the government change the area under consideration ?. Because like I say the OIB site is outside the proposed area.

The bulletin also states "Community support is a prerequisite to the ministry’s site selection process" which in my mind would eliminate the PIB sites.

Seems like Lumby is becoming a shoo- in for the prison.

Hi Hoot:

I agree with you the OIB site is well outside of the original area proposed by the province.

The PIB site is not a consideration (IMO) because of the NO vote from Pentiction.

PIB would be political sucide for the Liberals if it is located there.
(Mind you that has already happened because of HST - but that is a different forum from this one!)

So as you say (and I have for the last month or so) Lumby looks like the most logical site.

[nepal]

Based on the Lumby NO vote. Anywhere in that area will NOT see the prison.

[NotNorthAnymore]

Based on the Lumby NO vote. Anywhere in that area will NOT see the prison.

Hi Nepal:

Lumby said YES to the prison proposal

- Area D - outside of Lumby said NO.

A fine distinction, but if it was to be located in Area D - then I would have to abide by that vote.
Inside Lumby we said YES and that is what I support.
I am not attempting to slag any other site, but do agree with those that say that Lumby is the place for the prison.
Pentiction said NO and I am agreeing with them.

We will all just have to wait and see what the ministry says - It must be a very hard decision since they are overdue and some people are getting heated up even more than they were before on this issue.

[Glacier]

Based on the Lumby NO vote. Anywhere in that area will NOT see the prison.

That's like saying the PID can't pursue the prison because Penticton said no.

[NotNorthAnymore]

Based on the Lumby NO vote. Anywhere in that area will NOT see the prison.

That's like saying the PID can't pursue the prison because Penticton said no.

Glacier:
You are correct.

And I now that you have pointed it out I will have to agree with you and modify my posistion on PIB not going for the prison.

[nepal]

NotNorthAnymore wrote: ...We will all just have to wait and see what the ministry says - It must be a very hard decision since they are overdue and some people are getting heated up even more than they were before on this issue.

I agree with you on this NotNorthAnymore. It is good to see that the Ministry is taking it's time, to make the right decision, wherever that may be. They might even seek more public input, as this is a long-term venture.

In the long-run, all these communities will find their way. There are plus' and minus' for all interested communities. Personally, I waver on this issue. Either way, we are lucky to live in the Okanagan and need to preserve it, as much as is practical. Bigger is not necessarily better.

[NotNorthAnymore]

NotNorthAnymore wrote: ...We will all just have to wait and see what the ministry says - It must be a very hard decision since they are overdue and some people are getting heated up even more than they were before on this issue.

I agree with you on this NotNorthAnymore. It is good to see that the Ministry is taking it's time, to make the right decision, wherever that may be. They might even seek more public input, as this is a long-term venture.

In the long-run, all these communities will find their way. There are plus' and minus' for all interested communities. Personally, I waver on this issue. Either way, we are lucky to live in the Okanagan and need to preserve it, as much as is practical. Bigger is not necessarily better.

Finally got a response to an email I sent to the ministry on June 27th - Almost 3 weeks to respond and this is what they say about the decision:

Thank you for your June 27, 2011 e-mail regarding the possible development of a correctional centre in the Village of Lumby.

Ministry staff continue to evaluate sites proposed by interested communities and we hope to make a decision in the near future. At the same time, it is important to recognize this is an historic, long-term investment for both the province and the final chosen community and we need to give all our options careful consideration to ensure we get it right.

Thank you for writing.
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[Glacier]

Without knowing all the political wrangling behind closed doors, it's really hard to know which way the Ministry will go (one can never tell with Government). But this is what I think they are weighing:

-The OIB is in the process of building (mostly with government money) a brand new water and sewer system that has a total of one client. In other words, they have this new government backed infrastructure in place (complete with the fanciest pump house in the Okanagan) that will be just sitting there being unused for who knows how long if the prison isn't put there. Surely the government wants to make this investment look good.

- The OIB feels they've were given the short end of the stick when the government gave a casino licence to the PIB instead of them. If the government feels guilt of this, they might make up to the OIB by giving them the prison - or so the OIB hopes.

- Lumby is much loser to Vernon and has more consistent travel times to Kelowna. A prison at the OIB would mean Vernon prisoners would be closer to Kamloops.

[imahoser]

QUICK BUILD THE PRISON! So we can house scums like Bobbitt who will forever poison the positive atmosphere in the valley. I say screw the prisons and put them all in front of a firing squad.

[NotNorthAnymore]

QUICK BUILD THE PRISON! So we can house scums like Bobbitt who will forever poison the positive atmosphere in the valley. I say screw the prisons and put them all in front of a firing squad.

Hoser:
I would like to see this scum and others like him (Olsen for sure) dead and buried also, but that is not the Canadian way and you are well aware of it.

He will be housed in a federal facility until some bleeding heart parole board, says he has been there long enough and then he will get out and do it all again. If the victim or her family do something to him then they will face charges. I don't actually agree with how the system has turned out - but unless one of us runs for public office and changes the rules that is the way it is going to be.

If you are going to run for public office with the long term goal of changing the justice system - just let me know and I will assist you in your campaign. I would run for office, but I know my personality would not be able to handle politics.

[imahoser]

I could never be a politician because I would get so fired up, I would probably be thrown in jail myself. And on that thought.. a jail in lumby might not be so bad.

Has it been said what type of prison? Min-max security?

Will it be buddy down the road that was driving without insurance multiple times, or that psycho from penticton that will reside there.

[rhtrout]

It will be a remand center for those awaiting trial ie.murderers,rapists,child molesters etc.It wll also house those with sentences of 2 years less a day.[These will be the ones released into the community on a regular basis.Dont be fooled they do not bus them out of town as previuosly stated].So the prison will be built to max security standards