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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Urbane » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:24 pm

    flamingfingers wrote:Interesting that you would read and believe what Tielman, a dyed in the wool NDP supporter said during a personal hissy fit with Tsakumis. Less interesting that you would believe that BNSG and his panel of Liberal supporters about bloggers making stuff up. Maybe you could let me know how many bloggers have been sued over their 'made up stuff', eh?
I know that you really want Alex Tsakumis' version of this story and his version of many many other stories to be true and you even said this:

Finally we know what really did happen.


The point is that we don't know. Politics is a blood sport so maybe his version is right. Or maybe it isn't. But given his previous rants and given Bill Tieleman's account of AT's inaccuracies (to put it nicely) this story should be taken with a grain of salt. Period. Even though this isn't the political forum and perhaps should be more focused on issues it just seems that thread after thread after thread is just another anti-Liberal, anti-CC thread with little regard to what's really important and little regard to facts. I think that the economy is really important and we should be focused on that. Health and education as well of course.

Instead we're getting constantly bogged down with what CC wears, whether or not she gets her picture taken, and whether or not there was some scandal. And at least if we're going to talk about a scandal let's have some proof or at least evidence from a credible source. Adrian Dix (you brought him up remember) did in fact back date that document and he did in fact resign in disgrace. You think that employees just do that for their boss and I think it's despicable so there you go.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:39 pm

While you perhaps do not think so, I think it is salient to keep bringing up the ChristyLiberal (and Gordo's) blunders, manipulations, nepotism and plundering of the taxpayer's purse to further enrich themselves and their friends.

We do not know what is going to happen on May 14 but I certainly realize that the present Liberal government is not fit to run a cattery. And I will persist in helping to expose them for the immoral, unethical and unprincipled group of parasites they are.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Logitack » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:42 pm

Urbane wrote: just another anti-Liberal, anti-CC thread with little regard to what's really important and little regard to facts. I think that the economy is really important and we should be focused on that. Health and education as well of course.


interesting point, considering what the liberals are and have been doing for the past 12 years, negative ads telling half truths and out right lies on their political opponents.

but back on topic, which it appears you have not done, the fact that an RCMP member used his occupation for political purposes demonstrates just how low the liberals will go to get re-elected.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Urbane » Feb 1st, 2013, 8:58 pm

    Logitack wrote:
    interesting point, considering what the liberals are and have been doing for the past 12 years, negative ads telling half truths and out right lies on their political opponents.

    but back on topic, which it appears you have not done, the fact that an RCMP member used his occupation for political purposes demonstrates just how low the liberals will go to get re-elected.
Pass off what Alex T says as "fact" if you want but I find it amusing that what Dix did (Flaming said that's just what employees do for their bosses) is proven and Dix has now acknowledged his mistake. And yet this conjecture on Alex T's part about some political interference has some of you in a frenzy and it's pretty hypocritical. And by the way, I don't like half-truths or outright lies no matter where they're coming from. You should adopt that policy too!
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby logicalview » Feb 2nd, 2013, 6:48 am

I think a bigger point is that Glen Clark was just a terrible premier, and his entire supporting cast of NDP cohorts were awful too. This whole episode of deck-gate with Clark the NDP bozo is just noise. The numbers in the 1990's spoke for themselves, and the NDP deserved to be punted 77-2 just based on how completely horrible they were in every way. This whole thread is really moot.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby madmudder » Feb 2nd, 2013, 7:13 am

logicalview wrote:I think a bigger point is that Glen Clark was just a terrible premier, and his entire supporting cast of NDP cohorts were awful too. This whole episode of deck-gate with Clark the NDP bozo is just noise. The numbers in the 1990's spoke for themselves, and the NDP deserved to be punted 77-2 just based on how completely horrible they were in every way. This whole thread is really moot.



That poor bozo is the president of the Pattison Group.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby madmudder » Feb 2nd, 2013, 7:16 am

but back on topic, which it appears you have not done, the fact that an RCMP member used his occupation for political purposes demonstrates just how low the liberals will go to get re-elected.[/quote][/list]
Pass off what Alex T says as "fact" if you want but I find it amusing that what Dix did (Flaming said that's just what employees do for their bosses) is proven and Dix has now acknowledged his mistake. And yet this conjecture on Alex T's part about some political interference has some of you in a frenzy and it's pretty hypocritical. And by the way, I don't like half-truths or outright lies no matter where they're coming from. You should adopt that policy too![/quote]

Why don't you go to AGT blog and tell him how you feel about him. :dyinglaughing:
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby logicalview » Feb 2nd, 2013, 7:32 am

madmudder wrote:
That poor bozo is the president of the Pattison Group.


which makes it all the more baffling as to how he could have been such a horrible disaster at managing the province. Perhaps it was his useless memo-forging clown of a chief of staff to blame? There were so many terrible perfomers in that 1990's clown show it was probably a team effort in sucking and therefore unfair to pin it all on Clark.
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Re: The glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Gone_Fishin » Feb 2nd, 2013, 12:09 pm

OJ beat his charges too. Enough said.


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Re: The glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby maple leaf » Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:24 pm

Bill Good was partially right when he commented on the internet being full of false information lies and half truths.Except he was wrong about it coming from bloogers ,it comes from forums like this one .Were people make up facts and spin what is nothing ,into a big yarn,not based on real evidence or proven facts, but based on emotional feelings that someone in their opinion is lying.

The evidence that is available and has never been proven to be a lie or proven that it did not happen as stated in the documented report issued by the Ministry of Justice enquiry.All other spin is nothing more than emotional feelings run ramped.And a Myth was born that has been repeated and repeated over and over for 12 years until people now believe it.

From the Ministry of Justice.
OPINION
OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST COMMISSIONER PURSUANT TO S.19(3) OF THE MEMBERS’ CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT
IN THE MATTER OF A REQUEST BY THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL AND AN INQUIRY PURSUANT TO S. 21 OF THE
MEMBERS’ CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT INTO WHETHER
THE HONOURABLE GLEN CLARK, M.L.A.
HAS BEEN IN BREACH OF ANY OF THE SECTIONS OF THE
MEMBERS’ CONFLICT OF INTEREST ACT
IN CONNECTION WITH THE GRANTING OF APPROVAL-IN-PRINCIPLE OF A GAMING LICENCE FOR THE NORTH BURNABY INN/545738 B.C. LTD.
City of Victoria Province of British Columbia
January 25, 2001


Mr. Clark’s evidence is that he alerted both Mr. Dix and Minister Farnworth to his relationship with Mr. Pilarinos so that they could ensure he played no role in the decision- making in regard to this proposal. The record before me on this point includes the memorandum prepared by Mr. Dix that was attached to the public statement issued by Mr. Clark the day after the execution of the search warrant on his home by the RCMP. Because the memorandum was produced by Mr. Clark in order to refute the suggestion that he had acted improperly, I received evidence of both the events referred to in it and the circumstances of its preparation.
Mr. Dix’ evidence is that, notwithstanding the date and date stamp appearing on it, he prepared the memorandum months after the events recorded in it took place.
Given these circumstances, and the availability of direct evidence with respect to the events recorded in it, I place no weight on the existence of this document. I am prepared to accept that Mr. Clark told Mr. Farnworth in February and Mr. Dix in July that he did not want to be involved in the decision-making process in regard to Mr. Pilarinos’ proposal. Further,
Mr. Dix and Minister Farnworth have each verified that Mr. Dix raised this issue with Minister Farnworth in July, although Minister Farnworth was already aware of it.
Since the evidence is that Mr. Dix prepared the memorandum at his own behest, and that Mr. Clark was not made aware that the memorandum had been back-dated by Mr. Dix until some time after it had been made public, I make no finding with respect to Mr. Dix’ account of the timing or circumstances of its preparation.
There is no evidence that Mr. Clark or anyone acting on his behalf attempted to exercise any power available to the Premier to intervene in the RFP evaluation process conducted under the auspices of the Lotteries Advisory Committee/Gaming Policy Secretariat.


Mr. Dix testified that at the end of the week, on July 17, 1998, he wrote out a memorandum in his notebook documenting these events. Several months later, in September or October, in the course of going through his notebook when he was finished with it to ensure that he had done everything he needed to, Mr. Dix determined that he ought to type his notes into a memorandum to file. After having done so, he ripped out the original pages from his bound notebook and destroyed them. He testified that this was in accordance with his usual practice. Mr. Dix dated the memorandum July 17, 1998, the date of the notes in his notebook, although it was typed up in September or early October 1998. Mr. Dix then took the additional steps of obtaining the date stamp for “Office of the Premier” from his secretary’s desk, turning the date back to July 17, 1998, and stamping the memorandum with that date as well. Mr. Dix said he did so to reinforce the date on which he had written up the contents of memorandum. He did not record the date on which the typed memorandum itself was prepared. Mr. Dix placed the memorandum in his personal files as a record of his discussion with the Premier and the steps he had taken.
Mr. Dix testified that he had occasion to share the memorandum with Mr. Ron Wickstrom, another member of the Premier’s political staff, in or around December 1998.
Mr. Wickstrom advised Mr. Dix that he had received a telephone call from either Mr. Pietro Calendino, the M.L.A. for Burnaby North, or a member of his staff, in which concern was expressed about the prospect of approval in principle of a casino at the North Burnaby Inn given local opposition. For his part, Mr. Calendino does not recall such a conversation and could not say whether such a call was placed by a member of his staff.
Mr. Dix instructed Mr. Wickstrom that he was not to get involved in the matter at all, and subsequently gave Mr. Wickstrom a copy of the memorandum he had prepared by way of explanation. Mr. Wickstrom placed the memorandum in his own files

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Re: The glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Urbane » Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:24 pm

    maple leaf wrote:Bill Good was partially right when he commented on the internet being full of false information lies and half truths.Except he was wrong about it coming from bloogers ,it comes from forums like this one .Were people make up facts and spin what is nothing ,into a big yarn,not based on real evidence or proven facts, but based on emotional feelings that someone in their opinion is lying.
Hear hear! We've certainly seen that on here with the BC Rail sale. False information, lies, and half-truths. Things get made up and spun into a big yarn for sure! And you're right about the emotions taking over. Good to agree with you!
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Re: The glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby maple leaf » Feb 2nd, 2013, 4:13 pm

Urbane wrote:Hear hear! We've certainly seen that on here with the BC Rail sale. False information, lies, and half-truths. Things get made up and spun into a big yarn for sure! And you're right about the emotions taking over. Good to agree with you!


To bad that Christy Clark won't hold an enquiry and does everything possible to prevent the truth to come out .Then maybe the rumours would stop flying around.And it could be gotten to the bottom of.At least there was an enquiry surrounding Glen Clarks deck and including Adrian Dix involvement.And the result being Glen Clark was absolved of any wrong doing and the Dix memo according to the Ministry of Justice deemed the existence of this document to have no weight.To bad we can't put the BC rail accusations to rest.Oh well once the NDP are elected there will be an investigation and we might someday get to know the half of it as I'm sure we will never be able to get right to the bottom, since emails and other evidence has been destroyed by the Liberals.
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Re: the glenn clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Alvis » Feb 2nd, 2013, 4:26 pm

logicalview wrote:I think a bigger point is that Glen Clark was just a terrible premier, and his entire supporting cast of NDP cohorts were awful too. This whole episode of deck-gate with Clark the NDP bozo is just noise. The numbers in the 1990's spoke for themselves, and the NDP deserved to be punted 77-2 just based on how completely horrible they were in every way. This whole thread is really moot.

So awful they left a huge budget surplus that Gordo quickely dissolved into his own pocket and sent BC tumbling down the toilet, eh?
Let's see the final bill and over runs for the BC Trade and Convention cnter, and where are th final numbers and promised "Olympic windfalls" the 2010 games promised us?
Have a look at BC government stats some day. They've been posted here before and they do not support the "lost decade" theory. In fact they pretty much say the opposite.
These numbers have been posted in this very forum numerous time too.

These rotten thieves NEED to be prosecuted and brought to justice Gordon Campbell and all from 2001 to now. They've ruined the province.
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Re: The Glenn Clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby Urbane » Feb 2nd, 2013, 5:32 pm

The public debt doubled during the NDP years (and yes, the Liberals have spent too much as well) and after the province lost its AAA credit rating the NDP was forced to come up with a balanced budget. Just setting the record straight . . .
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Re: The Glenn Clark affair--politically motivated?

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 2nd, 2013, 5:40 pm

Mike Farnworth wrote on a Tweet:

"Roses are red,
the liberals are dead,
you've been left a mess you must end
but there's nothing to spend"


Longfellow he ain't but the gist is clear.
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