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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Urbane » Feb 10th, 2013, 1:45 pm

    steven lloyd wrote:As long as you recognize your own efforts in defending the Liberals are no different than those defending the NDP.
No, that's totally not true. I've been very critical of the Liberals and said that they don't deserve to be reelected. That's quite different than those who make excuses for the NDP and refuse to acknowledge their malfeasance, illegal activity, and clearly demonstrated incompetence.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Logitack » Feb 10th, 2013, 2:04 pm

Urbane wrote: That's quite different than those who make excuses for the NDP and refuse to acknowledge their malfeasance, illegal activity, and clearly demonstrated incompetence.

:dyinglaughing: oh puuuuulease... you have already said you are voting liberal despite the numerous examples of liberal malfeasance, illegal activity and clearly demonstrated incompetence, why continue with the charade and misdirection! I havent read anyone who doesnt recognize the ndp stupidity from their past performance. the fact is the socialist hordes are currently the ONLY alternative to the current corrupt government that is CURRENTLY in power!
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Urbane » Feb 10th, 2013, 3:11 pm

    Logitack wrote: :dyinglaughing: oh puuuuulease... you have already said you are voting liberal despite the numerous examples of liberal malfeasance, illegal activity and clearly demonstrated incompetence, why continue with the charade and misdirection! I havent read anyone who doesnt recognize the ndp stupidity from their past performance. the fact is the socialist hordes are currently the ONLY alternative to the current corrupt government that is CURRENTLY in power!
Wow! You've sure missed a lot of posts on here. There are many posters who see nothing wrong with what the NDP has ever done. They even praise what they see as the great government that they ran back in the 1990's. So puuuuulease right back at ya! There are three groups of posters on here evaluating the Liberal Party (the subject of this thread):

1. Those like Steven who recognize the malfeasance of the NDP but think that the Liberals' failings are greater and that they should therefore be turfed.

2. Those who see nothing wrong with backdated memos, illegal advertising, Bingogate, the 1990's economy (they were golden years!) but see "malfeasance" in every single thing that the current government does. In other words, nothing that the NDP does is bad while everything this government does is bad.

3. Those (like myself) who don't believe this government deserves to be re-elected but who believe they are clearly the lesser of two evils. Those in this category also recognize the good things that this government has done (and there are many).

The irony, of course, is that there are few if any on here who are oblivious to Liberal mistakes but those who can't find anything wrong with the NDP, past or present, start name-calling when anyone has anything positive to say about the Liberal government or negative about the NDP. So ironic.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby NAB » Feb 10th, 2013, 4:20 pm

Of course, which of the two parties WILL BE the lesser of two evils as a government for the next 4 years ((as compared to IS (cannot put any of that on the NDP, just the Coalition for the last dozen years, perhaps even 16 years) or WAS - both have their "record" both as government and opposition even though some like to try to re-write history or suggest that the 90's were bad for everyone in BC)) ..is purely a matter of personal experience, opinion and ideological druthers with respect to desired change or results.

No government is purely all good or all bad for EVERYONE and EVERY REGION at ALL TIMES, but it seems there are those who cannot accept that fact, ...even take the position that their own personal ideological path and world view is the ONLY right path and world view.

Quantum change is what is needed in BC IMO, perhaps even acceptance that BC's economic future has to be newly built along lines that are far less dependent on declining and unstable activities such as forestry and mining. It may even be that, should the Liberal Party manage to form another government under Christy Clark, they may well turn out to be the instrument of that quantum change anyway.

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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby maple leaf » Feb 10th, 2013, 6:50 pm

Urbane wrote:2. Those who see nothing wrong with backdated memos, illegal advertising, Bingogate, the 1990's economy (they were golden years!) but see "malfeasance" in every single thing that the current government does. In other words, nothing that the NDP does is bad while everything this government does is bad.


I don't think this really fits anyone on these forums,but is your biased opinion of people who don't happen to agree with you.I also have said the NDP were not perfect during the 90's but do have a different opinion than you do of that time.Based on what I have seen ,studied and compared to the 2000's.The NDP also did some good things.Although some would like us to believe they did nothing good and we have heard for 12 years about the lost decade and doom and gloom of the 90's .Some people just can't except that others may have a different opinion than themselves.
I have also said that I voted on what I thought of the NDP' s 1990's tenure in 2001.The NDP are not the government now and it is time to judge the currant government and we will get to do that shortly.I don't know what kind of Government we will have with the NDP ,no one knows,times are different now than the 90's and over time people change.Saying they will be and do exactly as they did in the 90's is purely speculations .But given the choices they are clearly the worser of the 4 evils and will at this point in time be the best thing that happens to this provice.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 10th, 2013, 7:05 pm

After 12 years of "private enterprise" it may be a bit refreshing to have a taste of some 'social democracy' that swings the pendulum in favor of the BC taxpayer.

I am totally in favor of eliminating corporate and union donations to parties. I think this will happen under NDP governance. After all, their major funds are collected through donations from individuals - not unions despite what myths abound.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby NAB » Feb 11th, 2013, 7:54 am

Ken Boessenkool has resurfaced..... at

http://www.kooltoppguy.com/

....strange bedfellows fer sure LOL. I wonder how comfortable the Liberals and the NDP will feel keeping Guy and Topp repectively around among the parties insiders now.

...and from http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2013/02/0 ... ical-foes/

""Premier Christy Clark’s former chief of staff Ken Boessenkool surfaced today announcing he’d teamed up with top strategists Brian Topp and Don Guy to form a new consulting company: Kool Topp & Guy.

It’s notable for the obvious reason: Boessenkool has gone dark since last fall when he was forced to resign as Clark’s chief of staff.

But more interesting, is the other two names on the company letterhead.

On one side of the political spectrum is Topp, an Adrian Dix confidante who is running the campaign for the provincial New Democrats.

On the other side is Guy, best known for his work in Ontario but who has also been playing a significant role for Clark and her BC Liberals. Guy was a speaker at the party’s convention last October, and I’m told the party is close to naming him as a senior strategist for the coming campaign — possibly even campaign manager.

Between them in the new staff lunch room is Boessenkool, who knows enough from his time as chief of staff to be helpful to both, I’m sure.""
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Glacier » Feb 11th, 2013, 3:03 pm

Sn0man wrote:Because in BC, it's damn near impossible to build a profitable business.

Everyone I know who has tried to build their own business in BC has failed, myself included. Certainly not for lack of trying either - had a 7 year run myself, only 1 of which was profitable.

The biggest obstacle is that nobody makes any money, so everyone is cheap. And when businesses are out there pricing jobs below cost just to keep their guys working, it's impossible to compete.

BC is not a good place to find a job, earn a decent wage, or build a business.

If business is extremely competitive in BC with rock bottom prices, then why does everyone around here keep complaining about how everything is so expensive in BC?
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Sn0man » Feb 11th, 2013, 5:31 pm

Urbane wrote:Wow! You've sure missed a lot of posts on here. There are many posters who see nothing wrong with what the NDP has ever done. They even praise what they see as the great government that they ran back in the 1990's. So puuuuulease right back at ya! There are three groups of posters on here evaluating the Liberal Party (the subject of this thread):

1. Those like Steven who recognize the malfeasance of the NDP but think that the Liberals' failings are greater and that they should therefore be turfed.

2. Those who see nothing wrong with backdated memos, illegal advertising, Bingogate, the 1990's economy (they were golden years!) but see "malfeasance" in every single thing that the current government does. In other words, nothing that the NDP does is bad while everything this government does is bad.

3. Those (like myself) who don't believe this government deserves to be re-elected but who believe they are clearly the lesser of two evils. Those in this category also recognize the good things that this government has done (and there are many).


4. Those who recognize the BC Liberals of the 2000's to present are equally as bad as the NDP of the 1990's, realize that both have been guilty of many of the same things, see an alternative to both, and choose neither.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Sn0man » Feb 11th, 2013, 5:36 pm

Glacier wrote:If business is extremely competitive in BC with rock bottom prices, then why does everyone around here keep complaining about how everything is so expensive in BC?


Because they don't earn a decent income and can't afford it, no matter how competitive the price.

BC is expensive though, no matter how you slice it. And wages really are low.
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby NAB » Feb 14th, 2013, 5:02 pm

Independent MLA may consult RCMP to discover how personal messages were leaked

Independent MLA John Slater intends to seek the counsel of a special prosecutor — and possibly the RCMP — to determine how he can legally identify the person who is invading his privacy and leaking to the media some of his personal correspondence.

Slater, who noisily resigned from the Liberals last month to sit as an independent in Boundary-Similkameen after the party refused to support his re-election bid, said Wednesday he wants to know how some of his personal text messages came to be in the possession of blogger Alex Tsakumis.

>>>snip

Slater said it is his belief that someone in the B.C. Liberal Party leaked a chain of text messages, taken from the personal phone he purchased Aug. 16, 2012, while he was still a Liberal, in an attempt to discredit him.

Tsakumis confirmed to The Province on Wednesday that a chain of text messages had been provided to him by a private party.

Asked if that person was connected to the B.C. Liberals, Tsakumis said: “No comment.” Tsakumis said he later destroyed the texts.


Full article: http://www.theprovince.com/technology/I ... story.html
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 15th, 2013, 8:05 am

We may be spared 3 months of incessant Liberal ads we are paying for:

B.C. Liberals face dwindling majority
CBC News
Posted: Feb 14, 2013 12:31 PM PT
Last Updated: Feb 14, 2013 8:42 PM PT

Due to a dwindling number of majority MLAs, the B.C. Liberal government could fall before the May provincial election.

For the first time in their nearly 12 years in power, the Liberals are facing a serious numbers problem. Their once healthy 13-seat majority has been reduced to just four plus the speaker, who only votes in the event of a tie.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... ority.html
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby flamingfingers » Feb 16th, 2013, 8:54 am

Priorities? What are priorities??

Pete McMartin: Call the doctor - this government is making me sick

By Pete McMartin, Vancouver Sun columnist February 15, 2013

Exactly one week after Surrey Memorial Hospital sprung a leak for the second time, Premier Christy Clark promised in her throne speech her government would work “to create the environment for” a school of traditional Chinese medicine at a post-secondary institution.

In the section entitled “Health Care and Innovation,” the speech stated:
“An innovative health care system must respond to the changing needs of its citizens and embrace practices beyond traditional western medicine.”

Notice that?

The sly inverted logic of that sentence?


Read the rest here:
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Pete ... z2L4aColXF
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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby NAB » Feb 16th, 2013, 9:53 am

I seem to recall our AL C back in 2008 or 9 prior to the last election suggesting the Campbell Liberals were playing heavily to the Asian and South Asian vote in the lower mainland. CC and party seemed to be doing similar during their campaign for the leadership, and evidence exists of similar themes on her part ever since, even added the religious right to her special pander list. Not surprising I suppose, but I suspect that it all takes on even added importance this election considering the Liberal Coalitions' significantly declining fortunes in the lower mainland since those sectors will probably mean the difference between a win and a loss province wide.

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Re: Liberal Party.

Postby Gone_Fishin » Feb 16th, 2013, 10:10 am

So, should people be racist toward the large ethnic group that relies on a form of healthcare that may be different from their own? I think not. Seems that some posters on this forum, however, are very racist in their postings, and those posters are solid NDP supporters.
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