Site C

[The Green Barbarian]

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[LordEd]

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[butcher99]

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[Fancy]

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[The Green Barbarian]

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[Fancy]

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-ne ... 180948154/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/wind ... _n_3915629

[The Green Barbarian]

So how much will underwater power transmission lines cost? Then the transmission lines to get it somewhere useful?

Helicopter maintenance crew costs?

What?? You are asking questions about costs of things?? Don't you know that the costs of transmission lines are not to be factored in to these calculations?? It's all about selling the flawed and back-ward narrative.

[jimsenchuk]

Read the whole document, not just parts that fit you.

http://www.sitecinquiry.com/wp-content/ ... Errata.pdf

[Cactusflower]

LOL....Anyone who has worked extensively on the coastal waters of B.C. just got their morning chuckle.

I've spent a lot of time on the coastal waters of BC and there were a lot of days without wind. Not sure what you are chuckling about.

How much is 'a lot of time' in your world? I worked for six months of every year out there for 16 years, and those were the 'good' months (April to October). I know how you always have to have the last word, so let's hear how many months of how many years you spent traveling up and down B.C.s coast.

Off-shore wind farms would be very compatible with our coast if there was the political will to make it happen.

[The Green Barbarian]

Off-shore wind farms would be very compatible with our coast if there was the political will to make it happen.

yup - it would really ensure all of those surplus migratory sea birds are taken care of all right. I would ask you for a cost/benefit on this project but I know math is hard, and no one is supposed to ask questions about money when emotion is all that is supposed to be used as determining factors in project decisions.

[Cactusflower]

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[seewood]

Norway is known for its particular expertise in the development of efficient, environment-friendly hydroelectric power plants.[24] Calls to power Norway principally through hydropower emerged as early as 1892, coming in the form a letter by the former Prime Minister Gunnar Knutsen to parliament. Ninety percent of hydropower capacity is publicly owned and distributed across municipalities, counties, and states.[25] Nationwide installed capacity of hydropower amounted to 33.8 GW in 2015. The maximum working volume of hydrologic storage power plants is 85 TWh, whereas the average seasonal cycle is 42 terawatt-hours (TWh). In 2015, hydroelectricity generated 144 TWh and accounted for 97.9% of the national electricity demand.[26] In European markets, it is the single largest producer of hydropower.[27] According to the IEA, Norway generated 4.3 percent of the worldwide hydropower in 2008 and ranked 6th for that year, behind China, Canada, Brazil, the United States and Russia.[28]

Part of the reason that so much of Norway’s electricity can be generated from hydropower is due to the natural advantage of its topography, with abundant steep valleys and rivers. Due to climate change, the region is currently experiencing heavier rainfall and is projected to receive more in the future, further increasing its capacity for hydropower.[29]
In some years, a combination of high power prices in the market and less than usual rainfall renders the power system more vulnerable to power shortages. So far consumers in Norway have noted this by paying a higher price for electrical power during wintertime, however still a low price in international terms. Copious snow- and rain-fall in the mild winters of 2013-15 led to sharply lower prices, which was 26.7 øre per kWh in 2015.[18]

New connections to other countries could stabilize available power levels and reduce price swings, however as these areas are more expensive, average price may rise in Norway. Grid strengthening may cost a few billion kroner.[19]

For comparison purposes 26.7 ore works out to $00.043 per KWH

Denmark's windy remember was $0.43 KWH Germany's was $0.33 kwh. maybe grid is closer vs connecting a large array off-shore? Still way more than any hydro. Those on fixed incomes and the less fortunate and those industries that rely on cheap hydro to compete in the world economy just cannot afford expensive, intermittent windy solar power sources.

So what is it that is going to make the windy/solar come down in costs to equal or better Hydro's rates ? Saying, it is, just does not cut it at the moment. ( pixy dust really does not exist)

[ferri]

Topic: Site C

[hobbyguy]

butcher - you refuse to realize that the price of solar panels has very little effect on the electricity produced from solar. The same applies to wind. The adjunct costs of intermittent low density non dispatchable electricity generation is what you are talking about.

Would you buy a car that can only be driven during daylight hours??

Would you buy a car that can only be driven when the wind blows??

Of course not.

You can go around of circles about blah b;lah lower PV panels prices, but that does NOT matter. The power produced is junk power.

Oranges and lemons are both citrus fruits. It doesn't matter if the price of lemons drops really really low, the market wants oranges!

We get it, you have chosen to join the cult of California green and have closed your mind to the real world problems with intermittent sources of electricity.

The price of PV panels doesn't matter, as I illustrated, the cost of PV panels could be zero, and in a grid context they are worse than useless at providing what the market wants - reliable electricity at a reasonable price when and where it is needed.

None of the so called alternatives works in the real world, that's why site C should proceed - because it will work.