Vancouver hits a new high on the crazy scale!

[nolanrh]

I didn't know teachers are paid THAT much.

Well I'm not aware of too many other jobs where even low man on the totem pole gets upwards of sixty-five grand a year within ten years of employment.

Never mind all the other ridiculous perks when compared to other jobs.

Really, after 5-6 years of education and 10 years of employment you don't know many jobs that make 65k?

[nolanrh]

"so they'll be available to get kids back to school quickly after an earthquake"

Can someone explain this comment to me? Is the teacher who lives in the apartment supposed to take the kids home with her during an earthquake?

Bizarre... unless someone can point out a logical reason.

I assumed it is because these new structures are probably "earthquake proof".

[MAPearce]

Now you can pre-pay for your own funeral right up until June 30 and save!

Wow!! Kinda morbid if you ask me.

Oh well, at least we'll be assured of a healthy undertaker industry. We'll need it as we are increasingly taxed to death. Oh, what a relief LOL.

Nab

Yeup, just padding the wallets under the new HST sceme.

[LoneWolf_53]

I didn't know teachers are paid THAT much.

Well I'm not aware of too many other jobs where even low man on the totem pole gets upwards of sixty-five grand a year within ten years of employment.

Never mind all the other ridiculous perks when compared to other jobs.

Really, after 5-6 years of education and 10 years of employment you don't know many jobs that make 65k?

Average income in Kelowna is around the 40K mark so I'd have to guess there's a lot of people working for far less than 65K.

[LoneWolf_53]

"so they'll be available to get kids back to school quickly after an earthquake"

Can someone explain this comment to me? Is the teacher who lives in the apartment supposed to take the kids home with her during an earthquake?

Bizarre... unless someone can point out a logical reason.

I assumed it is because these new structures are probably "earthquake proof".

Interesting assumption.

Did you also assume these educators are going to hold classes in their living rooms?

Because if they aren't I don't see how their living in Condos on the water has any bearing on kids getting back to school after an earthquake. In fact where the teachers live probably has little to no bearing on their ability to get back to school.

Probably make more sense to ensure the schools can survive an earthquake and even then the kids still have to survive in their residences first if the quake hits any time other than school hours.

Definitely sounds as though some loonies have escaped the asylum on the lower mainland.

[Liberty and Truth]

I didn't know teachers are paid THAT much.

Well I'm not aware of too many other jobs where even low man on the totem pole gets upwards of sixty-five grand a year within ten years of employment.

Never mind all the other ridiculous perks when compared to other jobs.

Really, after 5-6 years of education and 10 years of employment you don't know many jobs that make 65k?

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.

[steven lloyd]

Really, after 5-6 years of education and 10 years of employment you don't know many jobs that make 65k?

Average income in Kelowna is around the 40K mark so I'd have to guess there's a lot of people working for far less than 65K.

Meaning there must be a lot of people in Kelowna who have little education or work experience.

[steven lloyd]

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.

I don’t know what the people you know are teaching Ben, but to teach elementary or high school in this province you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree along with a Professional Development Certificate (a program in which you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree to get into). But I’m not going to get into this tired old argument of erroneously undervaluing teachers again.

[Liberty and Truth]

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.

I don’t know what the people you know are teaching Ben, but to teach elementary or high school in this province you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree along with a Professional Development Certificate (a program in which you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree to get into). But I’m not going to get into this tired old argument of erroneously undervaluing teachers again.

I'm not undervaluing teachers - that's a horribly unkind assumption on your part SL - just stating that 5-6 years of education seems a bit high of an estimate given I've met very few teachers who have 6 years of education.

[NAB]

A major part of the issue here IMO is that in all the pre-hype about the Olympic Village it was promoted as to be "green", include a fairly substantial amount of low cost housing, and was projected to be able to be marketed following the Olympics for a financial return that would support that objective.

A lot of taxpayer dollars was "invested" to that end, and, as we know, a huge amount more had to be injected when the financing and contract went south and it was disclosed that the folk who assembled the package had been far less than diligent with the taxpayers money and related contracts.

Lunatic enthusiasm knows no bounds apparently, particularly when government decides it has the unrestricted right to speculate in the real estate market (or any other form of high risk market speculation for that matter) using taxpayer money. I seem to recall "we" also now own some old hotels in Vancouver that had to do with providing low income housing. I wonder who will actually get priority dibs on that down the road, or what will happen to it now the Olympics are over. Kick the low income residents back to the street, bring in the wrecking ball, and sell the land for ten cents on the dollar to some developer as part of a public/private hi-rise partnership too?

Come to think of it, there may even be a few retired politicians with a Vancouver focused development background around by then who might be in a position to get a big part of that action. But then again someone else might want to use them to build high rise coops for "homeless chickens", ...instead of making them "social housing" and letting low income folk or teachers who would like to raise chickens on their balconies as "pets" live there. ;-)

Nab

[bcbudrockz69]

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.

I don’t know what the people you know are teaching Ben, but to teach elementary or high school in this province you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree along with a Professional Development Certificate (a program in which you require a minimum of a Bachelors Degree to get into). But I’m not going to get into this tired old argument of erroneously undervaluing teachers again.

I'm not undervaluing teachers - that's a horribly unkind assumption on your part SL - just stating that 5-6 years of education seems a bit high of an estimate given I've met very few teachers who have 6 years of education.

lol teaching what . did you not read what steven just posted?

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[Homeownertoo]

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.

Many teachers get a master's degree because it means an automatic $6,000 or so salary boost and a $4,200 hike in their pension (70% X $6,000). Nice payback for one of the easier types of master's. I know of four teachers who got theirs. None believe it made them better teachers.

[bcbudrockz69]

a 6 year university commitment. Not only will you be spending exuberant amounts on the cost of education, but you will be taking yourself out of the ability to earn a career wage for at least 6 years. I left school with a $30000 debt. I know others who are now finishing their BA who have over $40000 debt.

[Urbane]

I know a lot of teachers, and the number with "5-6" years of education is around zero. I think I met one teacher with a masters once but that was about it.


Many teachers get a master's degree because it means an automatic $6,000 or so salary boost and a $4,200 hike in their pension (70% X $6,000). Nice payback for one of the easier types of master's. I know of four teachers who got theirs. None believe it made them better teachers.

Well, first of all most teachers now are at the "5-6" years of education. When I was teaching at MBSS, for example, I only recall one teacher on staff who wasn't at that level. For many years now new teachers have been required to have a minimum of five years university. As to the master's it really depends on the university and the degree. My master's degree isn't in education; it's in my subject area. And it was a very demanding course and it did help me to become a better teacher Many M.Ed. programs are also demanding by the way. It just depends. And while I attended graduate school to become a better teacher a part of the motivation was knowing that the thousands of dollars I invested I would eventually get back. Do you know how much graduate school costs? And when you live in a place where there is no graduate school you have to find accommodation where there is a school. It takes many years to break even. By the way, do you not think that teachers with master's degrees should be rewarded? I guess a more socialistic way of doing things would be to pay everyone the same regardless of educational background (and experience)??