Top cop should be able to fire an officer

[Roadster]

I agree that Robinson needs to go. But for one man to think that he should be able to make that decision without some sort of due process is ridiculous. Once found guilty of obstruction and/or perjury...I agree....gonzo. Until found guilty, however, a charge is only an allegation.

I have to agree, I never heard Mantler was fired, suspended without pay, but IMO that took too long.

I usually agree with stuff you have to say but on this one I cant. Like any other job there needs to be a standard of firing much different then there is now. Even in a union job little offences against other workers or the company needs to pile up Some and paper work has to be filed to fire someone but a smack down of someone, customer or client would bring on a whole different ending real quick like. There isnt "suspended with pay" for this kind of thing and even for a list of smaller events the companies can decide if suspension with pay is going to happen, if they all had to consult with Ottawa to complete their task of firing or suspending companies would be broke. Why should it be different for the police? Best for you guys to think up a new plan.
Here is a good idea,,, each member purchases an insurance plan against their own behaviour,,, you get caught up in something and are suspended without pay then your insurance covers you,,, if you are proven innocent then the police force pays back your insurance coverage plan and you go back to work and are cleared of the event.
I saw the military take care of their people faster then the police system. A guy was accused of raping a military woman, court marshall was done in a few weeks and he was proven guilty and was off the base immediately and sentanced. I saw many others and I dont remember anyone complaining the offender was paid and left on base too long. They like to get these people out of the way to prevent more harm, they are sentanced quite quickly or so the ones I saw were.
Your base is the community so if we have cops drinking and driving or beating up people you have to have a way of preventing it again, you also need their pay to replace them and put someone who can do the job back in there. We pay them wages and we need to know each employee is working for us, not sitting at home waiting for years for a trial and taking up cash while at it.
These two cases mentioned seem to have enough evidence for that one man to be able to suspend and or fire and maybe a team if he needs to decide quickly how to deal with it. Ottawa wasnt here with us when we saw this happen in our community, how would they know how we feel about such an event? Why should they decide how our community should pay someone who messed up?
Yes we need better control of how things are handled and local control is the way.

[Bsuds]

If you can't trust the Top guy to make a decision then he shouldn't be in that position. Someone needs to be in charge and these decisions should not linger. There can always be a review after the fact same as with any court ruling.

[Roadster]

If you can't trust the Top guy to make a decision then he shouldn't be in that position. Someone needs to be in charge and these decisions should not linger. There can always be a review after the fact same as with any court ruling.

Also I would think this top guy dont even know anyone in the shops enough to draw a hate feeling for them personally, I would think if he judged and seemed to be doing it for other reasons along with the event he would be considering something else like, has this cop been trouble before,,, my bet is most of you dont even get to see this top cop, not enough for him to draw hate towards any of you, now if we were talking the cheif in the shop firing there might be a problem cos chances is he does have personal favorites,,, that I might not agree with cos in that small spacing there would be personal feelings and experiences involved in the firings.
My best plan if I was asked is the top cop has a team of civilian investigators under him and he uses their information to decide. He does this quickly in stages, suspension and then firing if found guilty. Done in a few months at most, new cop is working that position and we move on. If the firing is wrong then like Bsuds said, it can be re challenged. With all of the technology today this shouldnt be hard to do anymore. It sure isnt long before a civilian is behind bars with all that technology today. In the end we all bleed red and our cops should be processed just as quickly as a civillian is for the same offences.

[mexicalidreamer]

I could see if there were regional managers who worked in conjunction with the "top cop" to fire others though.

[/quote]

You're exactly right. That is how it would have to work. The net result however would be that once a case was reviewed based on information from these regional or section managers, the deputy or commissioner could make a ruling that would be binding without having to seek support from a Federal board.

This model is much like the real world versus what exists today.

[Roadster]

Its already being discussed here viewtopic.php?f=27&t=40079

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""A Victoria-based RCMP officer is due in court Aug. 1 to face two counts of fraud under $5,000, both related to alleged improper use of federal government credit cards while on-duty.

The accused is Cpl. Tony Spink, who is part of a special-investigations unit. He has been suspended with pay, but was served last week with a notice of the RCMP’s intent to recommend that his pay and allowances be stopped.

As well, an internal RCMP code of conduct investigation has begun.

In a statement for E Division, the RCMP’s B.C. branch, Insp. Blair Staples said he took swift action in the case.

“I immediately ordered an internal audit into this when it was determined that questionable expenses had been charged to [Spink’s] credit card. I am extremely disappointed in the alleged actions of Cpl. Spink.”

The RCMP said it would issue no further information because of the ongoing legal process.""

http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Victo ... story.html

[Ken7]

At least they managed to fire Mantler, eventually.

They should be able to at least suspend without pay in such clear cut cases as these.

Robinson has been laying around at home all these years collecting his pay cheque and getting pissed on cheap vodka at our expense. I can't think of any other job where you don't get canned for such atrocities as his.

Where did you get the info on Mantler?? I missed that, and if that is so I'd question why Robinson is still a member!

[Treblehook]

Minimally, the top man in the province ought to be able to suspend wihout pay on reasonable belief that the officer committed a criminal act or where his/her conduct was so abhorrent as to warrant dismissal. If it were susequently determined by a court or other authoity that suspension without pay was inappropriate, then ante up at that time. If the authority to dismiss an officer were to be granted to the top cop in the province, the member dismissed could/would have the right to argue wrongful dismissal as is the case in any other job. If the top cop was wrong, then I guess the Force would have to reinstate the member, pay any lost salary and damages. That ought to be incentive enough to ensure that decisions to dismiss were on solid grounds. Like someone said, the way it has been going the last decade or so sure as heck doesn't work! The way it is now, a suspended member keeps getting paid for years... perhaps until he/she has enough time in for pension, and then resigns to draw a pension for the rest of their life.

[Roadster]

So I see the top cop is now the real boss, lets see if things speed up and are dealt with having gotten rid of the red tape Ottawa always caused.

I hate to agree one man should do this but the way it was isnt gonna work anymore. Now I wont be upset if a bad cop recieves pay while on suspensipn because its probably not gonna take two years paying them while waiting for all the fluff to go away.

I hope this is an improvement and people take their jobs a bit more seriously knowing they Could be jobless for real now. I seriously think if I knew chances were I wouldnt see my pay cheque dissapear I might forget to think twice before doing something wrong. You can be a good cop and not even worry about this or a bad cop and hate it to pieces because you know its not a guarenteed paycheque anymore if you mess up.

And I agree with statements before. Managers are able to fire when they need and you can have it reviewed if they are wrong, same thing here,,, just make sure the spouse is a working person if you are a tough guy/gal and you do things you know you shouldnt. Best to pull up the socks nice and neat and not even worry about it. It shouldnt make a big difference to those working like a cop should.

In every job I have had the manager had the ability to fire and I saw lots over the years go, only one ever returning that I knew of and he got some compensation, so chances are probably pretty slim the firing would be all that wrong if a plan is used in doing so.