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janalta wrote:
And you really think the result would have been the same if the dog had not been pulled away immediately by it's handler??? Once again...went right over your head.....the dog lunged at the guy's face. Luckily the dog was restrained.

Was the reporter 'asking for it' ? Absolutely...which is exactly why so many children are bitten in the face...same approach, seen as a threat to the dog.

And yes, you have indeed said, over and over again that other dogs do not do the same kind of damage...that they will all just bite and release, leave puncture wounds as opposed to severe bites requiring stitches.

If you watch the video again you will see that shepard got a totally perfect surprise attack on that reporters face, he wanted it and they didnt see it coming but yet he was left with minor cuts and probably some bruising.
Shepards and most dogs put in that position by a stranger do attack that way. Its not a repeat biting session, its a strike. You dont know its coming and if thats all the reporter got he was taught well by probably a good dog not to hug or hover over a strange dog,,, did you notice he wasnt tugging and trying for another attack like the pit bull in the video I posted? That pit bull dog wanted more meat, he hung onto his grab and nothing they could do would make him let go, then when he did let his strong hold off she had a heck of a time holding him back till someone gave her a leash. The shepard meanwhile seemed ok that he gave his typical warning snap like most dogs will do for stupidity. The cop was holding him but he wasnt struggling at all with the dog to hold him back from another attempt. That shepard opened up for the full meal deal and yet he took nothing. I think thats pretty good. I also think the reporter knows never to trust any dog he dont own,,, and he probably knows a good shepard showed him that with minimal damage but a heck of a good scare.

not sure if this was posted in this thread so here it is
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=46118
that i suppose shows how foolish it all can be.

How about Poms.
http://www.dogexpert.com/infant-killed- ... omeranian/

ANY dog that bites/attacks should be considered aggressive....regardless of size or breed.

Toy breeds are some of the nastiest little monsters I've ever seen. Dangerous? Not in most cases. Aggressive? Yes.

janalta wrote:How about Poms.
http://www.dogexpert.com/infant-killed- ... omeranian/

ANY dog that bites/attacks should be considered aggressive....regardless of size or breed.

Toy breeds are some of the nastiest little monsters I've ever seen. Dangerous? Not in most cases. Aggressive? Yes.

I disagree, a pom will snap at you and once you are warned they will stop, if they go after your ankle and you kick them they get flying lessons. Get a pit bull who instinctively knows how to imobilize a bull by the nose and hang on so as not to get killed stuck on you and you have a very different bite attack... You should stop trying to compare raisins with watermellons. There is no comparison here. If you want to compare a pit bull with a rotti or a shepard then so beit but lets not leave out the bull fighting abilities the pit has. Its still a different dog.
BTW, thats a new born,,, do you think that pom would have killed a 6 YEAR old boy? Not, a baby is fragile and couldnt even try to kick that dog out of the way, one tiny bite to a new born's neck by any small dog or a cat even and game over, this is a reach way deep down into the bottom of the barrel for a rare incident and is not working to prove poms as killers or even dangerous for that matter, more a nuisence. A pit bull can and they have taken down adults and killed them, this pom woulda been splatter on a wall if it tried for an adult or even a young teen.

lol i didnt post that to actually compare them for being dangerous, more to point out what was posted earlier about small dogs being very aggressive.
as for discussing it here even though there is another thread, i would have to say of course.
all dog attacks big and small are relevant to this thread as thats the question being asked.
should we ban/exterminate/destroy a breed for doing whats not abnormal with almost every other breed.
it seems alot more support pitbulls than want to ban them, its the sensible choice.

Roadster wrote:I disagree, a pom will snap at you and once you are warned they will stop, if they go after your ankle and you kick them they get flying lessons. Get a pit bull who instinctively knows how to imobilize a bull by the nose and hang on so as not to get killed stuck on you and you have a very different bite attack... You should stop trying to compare raisins with watermellons. There is no comparison here. If you want to compare a pit bull with a rotti or a shepard then so beit but lets not leave out the bull fighting abilities the pit has. Its still a different dog.
BTW, thats a new born,,, do you think that pom would have killed a 6 YEAR old boy? Not, a baby is fragile and couldnt even try to kick that dog out of the way, one tiny bite to a new born's neck by any small dog or a cat even and game over, this is a reach way deep down into the bottom of the barrel for a rare incident and is not working to prove poms as killers or even dangerous for that matter, more a nuisence. A pit bull can and they have taken down adults and killed them, this pom woulda been splatter on a wall if it tried for an adult or even a young teen.

well one thing i will say on this story, for a dog of any size to attack a baby would make it a animal that should be destroyed on the spot.
a baby is not making them feel scared or intimidated etc, thats just a plain bad dog.
getting rid of a breed based just on size or power i find wrong, it should be based on alot more than that.
amount of attacks by the breed compared to others, the type of owners in question during the attack, the situations of the attack (fighting with other animal etc.).
instead of taking dog attacks out on the animals its time we took them out on the owners and harshly.
if people were punished properly for dog offenses they would take controlling their pets more serious.

just out of interest I typed in Pit Bull kiils newborn and this is what I got
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

And,,,

ok lets just do this,,,
http://www.google.ca/search?q=pit+bull+ ... igLDy4CQDQ

You click the search link and read any of them and there are lots and you will see that maybe, just maybe since we dont want a banning on the breed we should get some extra precautions established, especially around new families. Its true that a dog will kill a new born likely because they are new and they are noisy to a dog that doesnt understand. So ban them,,,? Or add safe guards for them?
I say ban them unless we can get some safe guards put in place cos in reality I dont want to ban anything but I really do want a world where bites are almost unheard of, seriously I could bend way over backwards for a pit bull if I thought he wasnt gonna bite me. They are damn cute as puppies but when I see the damage of an adult pit bull it disturbs me. Gives me shivers in my spine. Kinda like a phobia I would say. I cant shake it, the dog breed will hafta do that for me.

However, in the United States, one 1996 source suggests that German Shepherd Dogs are responsible for more reported bitings than any other breed, and suggests a tendency to attack smaller breeds of dogs.[26] An Australian report from 1999 provides statistics showing that German Shepherd Dogs are the third breed most likely to attack a person in some Australian locales.[27]

Miss Slingsby had walked over to stroke the puppy when the Labrador jumped on the three-year-old without warning, savaging the right side of his face.

). Regardless of the breed of the dog, it is recognized that the risk of dangerous dog attacks can be greatly increased by human actions (such as neglect or fight training) or inactions (as carelessness in confinement and control).

Joshua Mann, two, was mauled by the family collie as he stroked the animal.

Two can play the "let's post" game.....but it gets us absolutely nowhere. Read up on the British way and even though they have had a ban on for years, they say it does not work. But they do give suggestions on what they are going to do.

Roadster wrote:just out of interest I typed in Pit Bull kiils newborn and this is what I got
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162- ... 04083.html

And,,,

ok lets just do this,,,
http://www.google.ca/search?q=pit+bull+ ... igLDy4CQDQ

You click the search link and read any of them and there are lots and you will see that maybe, just maybe since we dont want a banning on the breed we should get some extra precautions established, especially around new families. Its true that a dog will kill a new born likely because they are new and they are noisy to a dog that doesnt understand. So ban them,,,? Or add safe guards for them?
I say ban them unless we can get some safe guards put in place cos in reality I dont want to ban anything but I really do want a world where bites are almost unheard of, seriously I could bend way over backwards for a pit bull if I thought he wasnt gonna bite me. They are damn cute as puppies but when I see the damage of an adult pit bull it disturbs me. Gives me shivers in my spine. Kinda like a phobia I would say. I cant shake it, the dog breed will hafta do that for me.

And...if you type in infants killed by dogs....you get storys on countless breeds - Shepherds, Collies, Labradors, Huskies, Malamutes, Mastiffs, American Bulldogs, Rottweilers, Dobermans, Pomeranians....what's your point exactly?
The only point is that parents need to learn that no dog should ever be left unattended with a child.

And, sorry you have a phobia of Pits...hardly a reason to call for a breed ban

yes shame to ban a breed because it gives one or two people the shivers out of fear with poor facts.
the truth is every breed out there can be aggressive and the i suppose only solution to appease all would be ban anything over the size of a newfoundland rat.

I did research before bringing my baby into a home with dogs and introduced them properly with as little stress as possible. I also never let young children play alone with dog, especially more than one. I refuse to be a statistic due to preventable dog behaviour. I chose to own APBT's because of their reputation with children and their grooming and their personalities. There is a reason they were called the nanny dogs before their image was hijacked. I have seen 9 years of children interacting with this breed and I will always have at least 1 in my home. My dogs would lay for hours while my kids used them for a stool to colour at the coffee table. They made great pillows for watching movies. They are awesome at playing dressup. They have a high pain tolerance for the little ones who may pull on skin too hard tha tother breeds could not tolerate. It is a shame where the breed has been taken through irresponsibility and ignorance because I see their good side every single day. I know tons of people who own the breed and have the same experiences. You just don't hear about us, the majority, in the media.

jennylives wrote:I did research before bringing my baby into a home with dogs and introduced them properly with as little stress as possible. I also never let young children play alone with dog, especially more than one. I refuse to be a statistic due to preventable dog behaviour. I chose to own APBT's because of their reputation with children and their grooming and their personalities. There is a reason they were called the nanny dogs their image was hijacked. I have seen 9 years of children interacting with this breed and I will always have at least 1 in my home. My dogs would lay for hours while my kids used them for a stool to colour at the coffee table. They made great pillows for watching movies. They are awesome at playing dressup. They have a high pain tolerance for the little ones who may pull on skin too hard tha tother breeds could not tolerate. It is a shame where the breed has been taken through irresponsibility and ignorance because I see their good side every single day. I know tons of people who own the breed and have the same experiences. You just don't hear about us, the majority, in the media.

thats cool to hear, i have akita's and would trust them to protect kids to the death in the bush etc, they are loyal with people.
its with other animals they lack the trust with me,
ive seen my older akita growl at a fly when it landed on her dog food.
but i believe no matter how trustworthy a breed or singular dog is thought to be around food only a fool trusts too far.
i do and always will believe a pet (of most any kind) is only as good as the family that raises it.