H.S.T.

[Rwede]

Like I said, those who know nothing about tax decided to vote against the HST. That's the problem with letting uninformed people decide the direction of the province, and why we end up in financial trouble. Leave taxes to the experts!

the people know very little about policing i suppose we should just leave everything up to the cops.
going on that theory the people should question very little and let others make all their choices.
the right choice was made, now it would be nice if the feds returned the money stolen.

Money stolen? What money did the feds steal from BC?

I'll let experts in the criminal justice branch determine how the legal system should work in this province. I won't be in favour of letting the public hold a referendum on the size of pistols the cops carry. This whole "direct democracy" BS does nothing but cost the taxpayer billions to allow ignorant people feel important.

[twobits]

I'll let experts in the criminal justice branch determine how the legal system should work in this province. I won't be in favour of letting the public hold a referendum on the size of pistols the cops carry. This whole "direct democracy" BS does nothing but cost the taxpayer billions to allow ignorant people feel important.

No kidding! Look what direct democracy has done to California. Bankrupt.

[sooperphreek]

thats where you have it wrong. old style good old boy democracy ran them into bankruptcy. what california should do is what is hushed up in iceland. put the bankers in jail and make them flee the country and give the people the power back.

[keith1612]

Money stolen? What money did the feds steal from BC?

I'll let experts in the criminal justice branch determine how the legal system should work in this province. I won't be in favour of letting the public hold a referendum on the size of pistols the cops carry. This whole "direct democracy" BS does nothing but cost the taxpayer billions to allow ignorant people feel important.

i suppose its a difficult concept, if BC taxpayers were lied to and told the HST would not be brought in and then was that is stolen funds.
out right theft !
as for the voting part, who is truly ignorant is those people who feel they should have the right to remove voting power from people they feel shouldnt have the right to a opinion.
billions may be a fair price to pay for freedom and the right to vote as im sure the price of WW2 was up there.
before you judge the little stupid people remember who lied to the taxpayers and then brought in the tax anyway then wasted more money on a referendum.
sorry people like you who want to live in a communist society hopefully will never have the power to make it happen.
i will stick with democracy and the right to have a opinion for everyone,not just you.

[The Rooster]

No kidding! Look what direct democracy has done to California. Bankrupt.[/quote]

California was one of the first states to drop teaching civics in schools , people do not understand what they are voting for anymore , if you vote a democracy , well Canada is not a democracy . Canada's medical system is socialist in nature . The government controlling the economy is communistic . Even simple words like entrepreneur are misused . An entrepreneur is not someone that steals a company or idea from someone , an entrepreneur is someone that comes up with an idea and takes it from infancy to the marketplace . Nowadays there are too many manipulative opportunists like on the Dragon's Den that have monopolized business sectors and thus squashed great ideas from moving to the marketplace .why do you think there isnt a natural gas motor vehicle push to take over or gasoline or diesel? Canada has enough natural gas to switch every vehicle over to it and run clean for easily 75 years at least
Big oil squashes it

Why do you think that produce and other groceries have gone up in cost when our dollar has increase by almost 160% of its value since the Fiberals have been kicked out of Ottawa? Because Loblaws , Save-on , Safeway refuse to . It is still ridiculously cheaper to buy groceries in the USA than in Canada

I will guarantee you that gasoline will be above $1.50/liter in the summer of 2013 . So why is it at $1.16 right now in the winter?

I can also guarantee that over 50% of the population in BC has seen their electricity bill increase by atleast 65%. Over the past 6 months and winter has just begun .Christy Clark said "NO RAISING OF HEATING BILLS OR ELECTRICITY "She stated that to the CBC in may of this year. Now she says "bills have increased due to usage" and that is a crock .

The reason the federal government is running a deficit is because they refuse to raise taxes , the provincial governments that are liberal , have raised taxes significantly and they brag about balancing their budgets.
It is easy to balance a budget when you overspend , you just raise taxes to meet the level of tax revenues needs .

If the left wing ever gets back in Ottawa , the first thing they will do is raise taxes to balance the budget . Now if you spend less , you do not need to raise taxes

[albertabound]

How can an ndp guy call the feds comunistic,and then say that the ndp will raise taxes to cover spending. People of bc wake up, the ndp is on its way and will raise taxes.Ndp will raise all taxes personal , industrial, etc.Business will leave , young workers will leave , NO JOBS. Please vote in these idiots, their friends from other provinces can hardly wait to move , nice weather,lots of dope, good welfare, what else would you want.This guy is telling the truth that the new dumb party will not own up to, untill they get in power.

[twobits]

thats where you have it wrong. old style good old boy democracy ran them into bankruptcy. what california should do is what is hushed up in iceland. put the bankers in jail and make them flee the country and give the people the power back.

As usual you don't understand. Do you even understand what direct democracy is and what the various inititives and propositions passed by the California electorate were and what they ended up doing to the state budget? I highly doubt it.

Direct democracy can only work when the electorate is truly informed and knowlegable about what they are voting for. I am not suggesting people are stupid but 1/2 couldn't bother to get truly informed and the other half don't have the time and then have to rely on sifting thru the Coles version of opposing views and Coles version of pro views that are both full of emotional rhetoric to see their side win. The truth is often obscured and makes for very poor election results that have expensive consequences. Oft quoted and unfortunatley true to the core was Churchill when he said the biggest argument against democracy is having a five minute conversation with the average voter.

[sooperphreek]

in principle i agree with you. unfortunately the day to day operations of government have become malignant in nature. the only representation voters have is to vote in a party that tables omnibus bills hiding things that the voters would never stand for in a million years. if the budget books were open to every voter and they had a reason to be involved - i think they would. for instance if the voters were in on the fighter jets fiasco - we would have cut loose a long time ago. either that or we would have made sure that the contract written up didnt lock us into something that was not in our best interests. the whole "trust me" angle from a politician is losing its luster. and i think what they are doing in iceland where the information is given to all the people by email is a brilliant idea.

[twobits]

for instance if the voters were in on the fighter jets fiasco - we would have cut loose a long time ago. either that or we would have made sure that the contract written up didnt lock us into something that was not in our best interests.

This is a perfect example of good in theory but in practice impossible. Perhaps you feel qualified but speaking for myself, I would be lucky to name 25 parts of a jet fighter never mind if it was a good plane or not. For me to make that decision would take a monumental task in self education which in all practicality would be impossible. I think at minimum, 95% of the electorate is in my boat. Same for the contract and again just speaking for myself, I cannot even begin to fathom what kind of document that must be and would be completely overwhelmed 10 pages in and I have had the benefit of several contract law courses while getting my university degrees.
I recognize my limitations and as distastful as it may be some times I have to rely on others expertise and judgment. Fortuately we have the ability to vote the decision makers out of office. Unfortunately it is only after we have seen the bad decisions but to have the electorate as part of every major decision making process is as impracticle as it is impossible as your fighter jet example clearly shows. Hands up here everyone who thinks they know enough about fighter jets or contracts of this scope to cancel or pull the trigger.....and be honest about your true expertise. I have an idea that these jets are not in our best interest but being honest with myself, I really don't know for sure.

[Smurf]

I agree sooper.It is best left to the experts. Hopefully there are some.

[The Rooster]

The whole f-35 program initiated with the Chretien Liberals , they signed on to gain contracts for production of certain parts . The reason you didn't hear much about it was due to the fact that Chretien wanted all the hundreds of millions to go to Quebec , thus the WEST knew oohing about it . When you here the Fiberals blaming the Conservatives for the f-35's it only makes me laugh at them because it makes them look incredibly STUPID. Why ? You say , well over 60% of our f-18' s are grounded due to TOO MANY HOURS ON THE FRAMES . After a fighters frame has reached its maximum hours on the frame , they are considered SALVAGE , and EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TO USE.

When you keep electing Fiberals that keep raising taxes and paying off their Mafia pals in Quebec and neglecting Law Enforcement and Military infrastructures as well as Provincial and city Infrastructures like roads , bridges and electrical grids for Chretien's neighborhood golf course and paying of Air Canada and subsidizing Ockey teams and paying relatives and friends that you appoint to the AECL, where they appointed six new directors to the lard over fixing the CHalk River Reactor . Checkout the Sidewinder Report . The Maple reactors , that don't work correctly and Chretien's Soninke law works for the company hat built them , along with Ob Rae's brother who is the President at that time

This whole open bidding on the f-35'S is a liberal joke , when Chretien signed us up and took those undress of millions of contracts to Quebec and never allowed any other anadian companies to bidon them , well let's just say OPEN BIDDING WAS DEAD FROM THE START

Do your own research , don't let the left wing CBC. Inform you withe their Communist propagandist ways . When you have a huge country with massive natural reserves you sell them , you don't go into manufacturing of cars in a country of only 30 Million people , it's kinda limited , it the liberals like manufacturing because it's all in Ontario and Quebec , and those two provinces are the only provinces that they care about . All the others are just feed

[sooperphreek]

that is why there is a problem. we are all voting lemmings that shrug off the decisions onto inept professionals. and we like it that way. its like voting for someone when you get your credit card to make decisions for you on your purchases. and let them run a deficit. and if you dont like it dont worry. you can always choose to find someone new to do it for you again.

[steven lloyd]

:ohmygod: How can an ndp guy call the feds comunistic,and then say that the ndp will raise taxes to cover spending.

I can only imagine the confusion there must be for a guy who claims to be Alberta bound but still hasn't figured out what that direction is. I mean seriously dude, there aren't that many highways to choose from.

p.s. there's no written English test at the border

[I Think]

Up at 2:30 lloyd - feeling guilty about all those northern citizens you help to put in jail?

[steven lloyd]

Up at 2:30 lloyd - feeling guilty about all those northern citizens you help to put in jail?

Anyone I helped to put in jail is making Christmas a great deal more safe for someone else.
Can't hardle be feeling guilty about some newly single mother and her children having a non-violent and safe Christmas Nibs.

Anything else you don't have a clue about but would like to try and understand better ?

For you Nibs ...




p.s. I was up waiting for Santa