Temporary Mexican workers at Timmies?

[FreeRights]

Nope, totally against bullying, but i think a little workplace hazzing is ok, I worked the Patch for a few years, it happens more often then not. when I was on a rig, and you couldnt do something, cause you werent strong enough and a guy calls ya a *bleep*, you dont run and tell your rig manager that a guy called ya a *bleep*. like come on in this day and age? its gonna be out there. but I dont agree with bullying.

I don't think the rigs is a very good example of workplace standards.

[Captain Awesome]

her husband is pure evil.. lost all respect for her when she hooked up with him. Linda was lucky to be rid of him.

It's funny how some of the most beautiful women have complete *bleep* for husbands.

Say, Halle Berry. I would be willing to lose some of my limbs to have a chance with her, yet her husband used to beat her. What the hell?

[grammafreddy]

Halle Berry is one very beautiful woman. I'd love the chance to photograph her.

[Alvis]

Dawson Creek? What's that got to do with it? I used to live there and there's gotta be people there who want to work.

Interesting.
As a free venture capitalist (I assume you are one judging by the tone of your posts) the workers at Timmies should be able to negotiate a wage based on what the market will bear. That is venture capitalism, correct?
Of course when a worker does this, people like you label it "Communism" and it is blocked by whatever right wing fascist government we have in place.
So Timmies can then claim nobody will work for them and import foreign workers, bucking the very free market venture capitalist system you and they claim to love so much.

Bravo.

We've just started the race to the bottom.

[grammafreddy]

Dawson Creek? What's that got to do with it? I used to live there and there's gotta be people there who want to work.

Interesting.
As a free venture capitalist (I assume you are one judging by the tone of your posts) the workers at Timmies should be able to negotiate a wage based on what the market will bear. That is venture capitalism, correct?
Of course when a worker does this, people like you label it "Communism" and it is blocked by whatever right wing fascist government we have in place.
So Timmies can then claim nobody will work for them and import foreign workers, bucking the very free market venture capitalist system you and they claim to love so much.

Bravo.

We've just started the race to the bottom.

Hang on ... looking up free venture capitalism ... and workers negotiating their wage in the same breath ... adding in communism and tossing a face palm in for good measure ...

[Alvis]

Hang on ... looking up free venture capitalism ... and workers negotiating their wage in the same breath ... adding in communism and tossing a face palm in for good measure ...

Great comeback. I take it you are still PO'ed about the whole hypocrite/Ayn Rand comment.

[grammafreddy]

Great comeback. I take it you are still PO'ed about the whole hypocrite/Ayn Rand comment.

What whole hypocrite/Ayn Rand comment?

I don't get PO'ed about things anonymous people type into a computer. Life's too short for that. Hell, sometimes I don't even put much stock into what the so-called "experts" type into their computers. Even their thought processes are full of holes and personal bias/gain.

Usually I read the drivel some people post, argue vehemently for my side of things, lose interest and move on to other things. When you get to my age, there's too much left to do and learn before ya take that last breath. You and your comments aren't worth the time if there's something else I want to do, read, learn, whatever. Anger is a waste of energy.

As far as Ayn Rand is concerned, I just figure the nay-sayers just haven't read any of her stuff, made any attempt to see where she was coming from and/or were already biased by other influences before they read her words or were influenced negatively against reading it so didn't and came out swinging through ignorance. Socialistic school systems will do that to ya. My favourite of her writings was The Fountainhead. What was yours and why?

[Jo]

Everybody, just kind of inch your way back to on topic, please. It's easy, just leave out the personal remarks and you're pretty much there.

[dreamon]

Having been to Dawson Creek recently, I can assure you that a shortage of workers exists.

The Fed Gov't allowed employers to bring in foreign workers due to not enough Canadians willing to fulfill those positions.
If you take a look at demographics and race in a statistical and pragmatic manner without being PC and immediately accusing someone of being racist, you will see why bringing in foreign workers is necessary for certain jobs.

Many Canadians view working in a fast food or agricultural environment as menial. They want a job that pays better as well as be more personally rewarding and stimulating. To get that better job they work for it through contacts, networking, education and dedication. That leaves behind the Canadians who do not want to further themselves academically or vcationally, the problem is many of those Canadians possess either a sense of entitlement or lazy and uncaring work ethic.

Cue the Philippinos. They work hard, are dedicated and dependable. They make excellent in home care providers and fast food workers.
Mexicans make much better agricultural workers than fast food workers.

These temporary immigrants are happy to have these jobs, I know as I take the time to talk with quite a few, most are well treated, many have a goal of being in Canada long enough to become PRs then citizens.

If Canadians were ready, willing and able to fill these positions in a hard working, dedicated manner, then the need to import labour would not exist.

Some will say that fast food places do not pay enough to attract Canadian labour. The fast food business operates on thin margins. Paying much higher wages will result in much higher prices, which in turn contributes to inflation, and on and on.

To those that say the wages should be higher, would you honestly pay significantly more for daily Timmies coffee, and be happy doing so that you know your are supporting higher labour costs?

[grammafreddy]

Having been to Dawson Creek recently, I can assure you that a shortage of workers exists.

The Fed Gov't allowed employers to bring in foreign workers due to not enough Canadians willing to fulfill those positions.
If you take a look at demographics and race in a statistical and pragmatic manner without being PC and immediately accusing someone of being racist, you will see why bringing in foreign workers is necessary for certain jobs.

Many Canadians view working in a fast food or agricultural environment as menial. They want a job that pays better as well as be more personally rewarding and stimulating. To get that better job they work for it through contacts, networking, education and dedication. That leaves behind the Canadians who do not want to further themselves academically or vcationally, the problem is many of those Canadians possess either a sense of entitlement or lazy and uncaring work ethic.

If Canadians were ready, willing and able to fill these positions in a hard working, dedicated manner, then the need to import labour would not exist.

It looks to me that what you are saying is that there is actually not a shortage of workers in Dawson Creek - but there are Canadians in Dawson Creek who are not working who don't want to work for minimum wage or in the fast food industry.

So perhaps the real problem is that the social safety net assures them they don't have to work for their keep? That unless a job suited their sense of entitlement complete with higher salary, benefits and a pension fund they don't have to take it in order to survive? They can just sit home and wait for something to turn up that they felt was worthy of their expectations?

Did Canada have welfare during the Depression? Could able-bodied people who didn't want to do menial work, farm work, low paying jobs get to just sit around and collect a welfare cheque?

[Veovis]

I can promise you grammafreddy that there are a number of people that refuse to work at McD's or other work that they consider "beneath them".

It is much easier to stay on welfare pretend to look for work.

These are the same people who had mass amounts of free time to sit in parks all summer and complain about the 1%'ers.

No they should not get to have our social benefits due to being lazy and self entitled, and I think certain welfare recipients and a portion of EI claims should include community service work to better the places we live.

However since this doesn't happen, we end up importing people who will work.

[keith1612]

want to talk crazy now look at this!!

Hundreds of Chinese workers hired to work in a mine in northern B.C. could have their trips delayed or even cancelled while two unions challenge their jobs in court.

At least 200 Chinese workers have been issued temporary work permits for the Murray River Coal Mine near Tumbler Ridge operated by HD Mining.

The company has said there aren't any qualified workers in Canada who can work at the mine, which will be using a method of underground mining that's not in use anywhere else in Canada.


the canadian government should ban this.
there is no excuse to allow this while we have people on unemployment and welfare.
if the company needs skilled workers then bring in 2 skilled to train new workers.
they should run that company out of BC.

[grammafreddy]

I agree - it should ALWAYS be Canadian workers first. If Canadians don't have the skills, they can be trained.

About these miner Chinese ... will they be paid in Canadian dollars?

Will they pay income tax to Canada on their wages earned in Canada?

This stinks no matter what - our government(s) should be all about protecting Canadian jobs and using Canadian workers.

[dogspoiler]

I have started a thread about that " Unemployed, who cares ?" Our own politicians are giving away B.C. jobs hand over fist and then they tell us what a great job they are doing. They are selling off our resources and letting people from other countries collect the paycheques. I would like to see criminal fraud charges laid against these con artists.

[Sn0man]

I have started a thread about that " Unemployed, who cares ?" Our own politicians are giving away B.C. jobs hand over fist and then they tell us what a great job they are doing. They are selling off our resources and letting people from other countries collect the paycheques. I would like to see criminal fraud charges laid against these con artists.

Haven't you heard? There is a "jobs plan" in place.

Jobs for Chinese and Mexicans.

If there's anything left over, let the Canadians have a stab at it.