Psychiatric hospital violence spikes at B.C. facility

[797hauler]

As I see it, you want to lock up these people yet you don't want to pay to lock them up. Maybe one day Gramma, you will end up in a care facility after a stroke, unable to talk or care for yourself, and maybe be lucky enough to share a room with one of these people. Maybe then you'll understand.

I dont see why your telling her this, what does this have to do with what she said?

[grammafreddy]

If they are violent and a risk to public safety, why can't we just lock 'em up and toss the keys until we can have some guarantees they are no longer a risk?

WHERE? Where you propose we put these people? The psych facilites that used to exist were closed by people (people you support too) because they were "too costly." Group homes? Where? Where are they? Group homes are still having their funding axed and closed to this day!
Prison? Oh don't get me going on that either. I recall the good citizens of Lumby, being ardent "law and order types" and supporters of the federal Conservatives and BC Liberals voting down the proposed new prison in their town.
So I ask again: Where do you propose we put these people?
As I see it, you want to lock up these people yet you don't want to pay to lock them up. Maybe one day Gramma, you will end up in a care facility after a stroke, unable to talk or care for yourself, and maybe be lucky enough to share a room with one of these people. Maybe then you'll understand.

Y'know, until now I had never considered people who'd had a stroke as being violent and/or criminal and a danger to society. Live 'n learn, eh? I was out today for a few hours with my friend who'd had a stroke, taking her to the bank and the grocery store and it never occurred to me I was in mortal danger.

When I said "violent and a danger to society" I kinda meant like the schitzy kid who murdered my friend - his dad. Or like the ones who are so drug crazed that they are a danger to anyone around them - even after they get their fix.

Why don't I want to pay to lock them up?

Interesting, too, that you think you know who I support when I haven't made up my mind myself. Your wisdom knows no bounds!

Now, if you want to have a civilized conversation about the over-charging that contractors do to the government(s), we might try that.

[Catz]

GF...schitzophernia, bipolar, NPD, OCD...you do not lock these people up.
This is a disease. Your opinion, like I said makes people hide from admitting they have a problem.
Dementia...You have no idea of how many little old ladies who weigh less than 80 lbs have sucker punched me and sent me flying.
Alzheimers as well....you never know.

They need the proper resources. That has been declined.
SL had it right.

[flamingfingers]

The community care model which was never implemented would be a good start. Community group homes with appropriately trained staff including 24 hour supervision, life skills training and support, etc. Way less expensive than psychiatric hospitals and able to keep mentally ill clients at risk of violence under supervised care for longer periods of time at less cost. As it is we see the dangerously mentally ill ultimately being released from the Forensic Hospital after it can no longer be justified that they be kept there. Often they are released and left essentially to their own devices until they start using drugs again, become violent again, and enter the costly yet inappropriate correctional system again and here we go again.

Anyone take notice of what has happened to CLBC? Homes closed, clients transferred multiple times, funding cuts, staff gorging on expense accounts and CEOs being handed 'bonuses' for cutting costs!

"If only these soulless *politicians* could realise what they have done just to make themselves rich."
http://northerninsights.blogspot.ca/

[Alvis]

Y'know, until now I had never considered people who'd had a stroke as being violent and/or criminal and a danger to society. Live 'n learn, eh? I was out today for a few hours with my friend who'd had a stroke, taking her to the bank and the grocery store and it never occurred to me I was in mortal danger.

When I said "violent and a danger to society" I kinda meant like the schitzy kid who murdered my friend - his dad. Or like the ones who are so drug crazed that they are a danger to anyone around them - even after they get their fix.

Why don't I want to pay to lock them up?

Interesting, too, that you think you know who I support when I haven't made up my mind myself. Your wisdom knows no bounds!

Now, if you want to have a civilized conversation about the over-charging that contractors do to the government(s), we might try that.

You need reading comprehension lessons.

It is not the strokvictimom it is the crazy sub 70 psych patient who is the danger.
But aftreadinging multiple posts you make, I see I am wasting my breath talking to you, you just don't get it. I'll bet you were the kid who kept licking the frozen metal flag pole every year, year after year. Go Ayn Rand.

[grammafreddy]

You need reading comprehension lessons.

You started it when you deliberately "misunderstood" my post.

It is not the strokvictimom it is the crazy sub 70 psych patient who is the danger.

Yeah, good point. I agree. That's exactly what I said, too - then you threw me as the stroke victim into the mix.

But aftreadinging multiple posts you make, I see I am wasting my breath talking to you, you just don't get it.

Does this mean you won't be responding to any more of my posts? Again, you are right. I don't "get" a lot of things some socialists bleeding hearts do and say. Why can't we just lock up the dangerous ones?

Go Ayn Rand.

I agree.

[Alvis]

Name calling gramma? Really? How about you just answer the question I put forth: Where do you suggest we house these people?

You've had a whole page to come up with a reply.

[Jo]

You two settle down NOW please. Keep the hissy fits out of the thread.

[grammafreddy]

[grammafreddy]

Maybe all the levels of government need to get their act together and figure out who was gonna fund what?

Maybe governments should put an end to the gouging and hosing that contractors and suppliers do to them, bumping up costs way beyond reasonable?

Maybe governments should stop over-inflating their own worth - and pay for things at the same rate that a regular business would pay for things? ie - mileage costs for staff who drive government vehicles on the job, office supplies, advertising, rents.

Maybe if governments put more emphasis on the delivery of service rather than the bureaucracy of things, more resources would be available to the end user?

Maybe if governments showed us how wonderful they were rather than feeding us propaganda about how wonderful they will be, we'd get more on the ground stuff done? Governments don't need to blow their own horns - the people will see when things work.

And I don't just mean the current governments, either. ALL governments are huge wasters of money - deliberately so. They create dozens of little programs, each with its own set of staff and offices and red tape. Maybe they need to do some very serious streamlining internally without cutting services but adding what is needed without the added bulk of staff for each one - amalgamate.

[Alvis]

Maybe all the levels of government need to get their act together and figure out who was gonna fund what?

Maybe governments should put an end to the gouging and hosing that contractors and suppliers do to them, bumping up costs way beyond reasonable?

Maybe governments should stop over-inflating their own worth - and pay for things at the same rate that a regular business would pay for things? ie - mileage costs for staff who drive government vehicles on the job, office supplies, advertising, rents.

Maybe if governments put more emphasis on the delivery of service rather than the bureaucracy of things, more resources would be available to the end user?

Maybe if governments showed us how wonderful they were rather than feeding us propaganda about how wonderful they will be, we'd get more on the ground stuff done? Governments don't need to blow their own horns - the people will see when things work.

And I don't just mean the current governments, either. ALL governments are huge wasters of money - deliberately so. They create dozens of little programs, each with its own set of staff and offices and red tape. Maybe they need to do some very serious streamlining internally without cutting services but adding what is needed without the added bulk of staff for each one - amalgamate.

Here's what become of the Rossland Hospital. This is the root of our healthcare crisis. This is a common theme in small centers around the province since the BC Liberals were elelted. Where was your voice when the cutting and closing was happening gramma? To ad insult to injury this property is being converted to luxury apartments! I kid you not.


Right from the ad:
"All Welcome-opportunity for all former hospital staff/patients to see the preservation of this famous landmark building, Redmont, 1961 Georgia Street, Rossland is holding an open house this Saturday from 10am to 4pm. Showcasing the 5 remaining premium apartments for sale. All apartments consist of 3 bedrooms & 2 bathrooms, totally brand new with luxury fitout, 2 blocks from downtown Rossland. "

Wheres your voice gramma?

[grammafreddy]

You're making a HUGE assumption that I was quiet when all those changes were being made. You didn't hear my voice because I was yelling so loud I deafened you. Quit attacking me - I am NOT your enemy.

[Catz]

ahhh...good night..look back at the thread...g;night
same ole, same ole....

[Alvis]

You're making a HUGE assumption that I was quiet when all those changes were being made. You didn't hear my voice because I was yelling so loud I deafened you. Quit attacking me - I am NOT your enemy.

The problem I have with so called "Libertarians" is this: They lack ANY form of empathy towards others unless it is an issue that directly is affecting them.

Senior care? Who cares until I become a senior.
Hospital access? Not until I need it.
Social safety nets? Only when I need it.
The issue with psychatric hospitals and care isn't an issue until it becomes clear they are at threat due to these people being loose and unsupervised in their communites. When these faciltes were being closed and funding cut at the turn of the century, the only sound we heard was the Libertians cheering about "government getting out of our busniess." Not a peep about about public safety,was there? Now that we have a child killer loose in the streets, unsupervised, which is EXACLTY what the "bleeding hearts" said would happen, NOW you raise your voice. That is why Libertarins are a joke.