BC terrorism plot - entrapment?
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Terrorists are looking for the stupidest and most bungling, police-attention-attracting people out there because nobody with a brain would ever commit a terrorist act.
It took some "doing" but the RCMP found these two nutjobs , huh ? ISIS didn't waste their time.
I heard ISIS is currently recruiting a bowl of jello.
Uh huh, proof that these two aren't as smart !
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http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... htm#142146
We all know this.
If John Nuttall was "talked" out of his money (if he had money) by a fraudster we'd all feel bad for someone taking advantage of a developmentally delayed person. It amazes me that the feelings can undergo a polarity reversal when the terrorism guise is placed overtop of the events. John Nuttall was desperate, addicted, mentally messed up and high for 6 months. The police kept him high.
If you think he is responsible, remember that if he was defrauded of his belongings by a smooth talking criminal you would then sit him down and tell him it's his fault for being so gullible and slow.
The Rambo III thing, talking to his cat and almost killing himself with ant poison ect ect? You don't "help" Nuttall by finally getting him some help by jailing him for years in max in solitary (where he'd end up) for terrorism.
While we fund security operations and court costs like this massive mindbomb, we are defunding anti-radicalization programs in Canada.
Poverty, mental health and addiction issues breed all sorts of crime. Once more our system shows we have tonnes of money to stage meth lab busts and Kelowna luxury vacations but no money for addiction counsellors and mental health workers.
Interesting note : that "fake meth lab bust" was staged so the RCMP could bug the home of Nuttall and his partner. Multiple homes in the area were evacuated, meaning John C Canuck and family were ousted from their homes under fear of a poison/dangerous situation. They were obviously not informed of a ongoing undercover investigation. Just goes to show the power of the government in the war on terror in Canada.
If they can fool a city block of people, why not...
"Somebody who is addicted and has mental health issues may well be more susceptible to manipulation by the police,"
We all know this.
If John Nuttall was "talked" out of his money (if he had money) by a fraudster we'd all feel bad for someone taking advantage of a developmentally delayed person. It amazes me that the feelings can undergo a polarity reversal when the terrorism guise is placed overtop of the events. John Nuttall was desperate, addicted, mentally messed up and high for 6 months. The police kept him high.
If you think he is responsible, remember that if he was defrauded of his belongings by a smooth talking criminal you would then sit him down and tell him it's his fault for being so gullible and slow.
The Rambo III thing, talking to his cat and almost killing himself with ant poison ect ect? You don't "help" Nuttall by finally getting him some help by jailing him for years in max in solitary (where he'd end up) for terrorism.
While we fund security operations and court costs like this massive mindbomb, we are defunding anti-radicalization programs in Canada.
Poverty, mental health and addiction issues breed all sorts of crime. Once more our system shows we have tonnes of money to stage meth lab busts and Kelowna luxury vacations but no money for addiction counsellors and mental health workers.
Interesting note : that "fake meth lab bust" was staged so the RCMP could bug the home of Nuttall and his partner. Multiple homes in the area were evacuated, meaning John C Canuck and family were ousted from their homes under fear of a poison/dangerous situation. They were obviously not informed of a ongoing undercover investigation. Just goes to show the power of the government in the war on terror in Canada.
If they can fool a city block of people, why not...
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This Human Rights Watch group has "Concerns Over Terror Trial" and the concern is fleshed out to put forth that these people were not guilty because of drug addiction and being developmentally delayed. Interesting concept. Although there are exceptions to every rule, it can reasonably be said that most criminals are not too bright. Most are "developmentally delayed" as is evidenced by their anti-social conduct and most today are drug users. We already have people pleading not guilty of serious assaults and other crimes by virtue of the fact that they are alcoholics and acted while intoxicated... and of course, that defense sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't. I do wish some of these people who are so critical of the investigative techniques used by the police, would accept the reality that all of the police investigative actions and conversations with accused persons, are placed before the courts for the judge and 12 good jurors to consider as evidence. It is the responsibility of those people, who are as competent [at least] as the human rights gurus, to recognize right from wrong. The murder and maiming of perhaps hundreds of innocent people is made no less evil by the fact that the perpetrators are developmentally delayed, and addicted to drugs. I find it interesting that none of these Human Rights gurus ever seem to put forth their solution to the problem when the police become aware of persons are predisposed to commit hellish crimes.
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To Treblehook ...
Your last comment is right on the money.
I wonder what the response of the judge and/or jury would be if some of the asinine comments made by people on this thread were given them for consideration ??
Especially after all of the ACTUAL evidence had been given in court.
Your last comment is right on the money.
I wonder what the response of the judge and/or jury would be if some of the asinine comments made by people on this thread were given them for consideration ??
Especially after all of the ACTUAL evidence had been given in court.
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I wonder what the response of the judge and/or jury would be if some of the asinine comments made by people on this thread were given them for consideration ??
Mr Pot..... I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.
To say the these to junkies could have actually hurt anyone ,even themselves, without help is asinine...
To say that the Jihadist's would have invested anything more than a cold broadsword to their necks is even more so...
What a waste of time.
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MAPearce wrote:
Mr Pot..... I'd like you to meet Mr. Kettle.
To say the these to junkies could have actually hurt anyone ,even themselves, without help is asinine...
To say that the Jihadist's would have invested anything more than a cold broadsword to their necks is even more so...
What a waste of time.
I suppose it's akin to whom you blame in a suicide bombers attack. The bomber himself or the person that made the explosives, strapped it to the person and sent him on his deadly way.
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I suppose it's akin to whom you blame in a suicide bombers attack. The bomber himself or the person that made the explosives, strapped it to the person and sent him on his deadly way.
do you really think ISIS would waste a dollar on these junkies ??
Think about it ...
These two are the epitome of the "infidel" ... They'd be killed for even asking .
That's IF they got that far.
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To MAP ...
Are you professing to know how ISIS or other violent extremists think ?? IMO the two people charged were even vulnerable to individual jihad extremist like the one who shot the soldier in Ottawa.
Do you think that ISIS only uses "normal" people ??
Are you professing to know how ISIS or other violent extremists think ?? IMO the two people charged were even vulnerable to individual jihad extremist like the one who shot the soldier in Ottawa.
Do you think that ISIS only uses "normal" people ??
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MAPearce wrote:
To say the these to junkies could have actually hurt anyone ,even themselves, without help is asinine...
I can't believe the naive thinking here. Sure, they are brain dead junkies, but they did have a goal to cause damage and make a statement. If they could not have found the explosives they were after, how long do you think it would have taken for them to just resign themselves to the reality that they could just each carry a 20 liter gas can into a shopping mall, dump them as they ran thru, and shoot a simple flare gun you can buy at Canadian Tire back at the spill as they exit the doors. The resulting explosion of vaporized gasoline would rival several pounds of C4.
The cliche is when there is a will, there is a way. And why give these two losers a chance to find a way? I am glad someone was paying attention to even these low level Cretans. And I hope that anyone suggesting they get some slack because they were too stupid and lead down a path, get some attention too.
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The old "walk into a shopping mall with a jerry can and a flare gun" terrorist trick. A oldie but a goodie. Equivalent to C4 though? That's liberal granola head-in-the-sand thinking. I heard it's more like a nuclear explosion or the death star exploding.
Imagine if Nuttall got ahold of the Death Star's laser? He could liberate Canada like Rambo did for Afghanistan.
It was only a matter of time. First manure missiles then the world.
Imagine if Nuttall got ahold of the Death Star's laser? He could liberate Canada like Rambo did for Afghanistan.
It was only a matter of time. First manure missiles then the world.
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Donald G wrote:To MAP ...
Are you professing to know how ISIS or other violent extremists think ?? IMO the two people charged were even vulnerable to individual jihad extremist like the one who shot the soldier in Ottawa.
Do you think that ISIS only uses "normal" people ??
Are you professing to know that extremists would be that dumb as to recruit , fund and employ the two dip *bleep* ?
C'mon D , get real.
I can't believe the naive thinking here. Sure, they are brain dead junkies, but they did have a goal to cause damage and make a statement. If they could not have found the explosives they were after, how long do you think it would have taken for them to just resign themselves to the reality that they could just each carry a 20 liter gas can into a shopping mall, dump them as they ran thru, and shoot a simple flare gun you can buy at Canadian Tire back at the spill as they exit the doors. The resulting explosion of vaporized gasoline would rival several pounds of C4.
The cliche is when there is a will, there is a way. And why give these two losers a chance to find a way? I am glad someone was paying attention to even these low level Cretans. And I hope that anyone suggesting they get some slack because they were too stupid and lead down a path, get some attention too.
These two didn't have a couple of nickels to rub together never mind buy 40 litres of gas.. You seen the pump prices lately ?
It's amazing how hooked on this terrorist fearmongering thing some people are these days ...
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Until it happens, then we all sit and wonder how that ever happened.
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jamapple wrote:Until it happens, then we all sit and wonder how that ever happened.
And IF it does, I'm sure you won't be surprised to find that whoever did "it" weren't junkies on a methadone programme, on welfare and had a better plan than *bleep* missiles.....
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Atomoa wrote:The old "walk into a shopping mall with a jerry can and a flare gun" terrorist trick. A oldie but a goodie. Equivalent to C4 though? That's liberal granola head-in-the-sand thinking. I heard it's more like a nuclear explosion or the death star exploding.
Imagine if Nuttall got ahold of the Death Star's laser? He could liberate Canada like Rambo did for Afghanistan.
It was only a matter of time. First manure missiles then the world.
Nice attempt at witty humor. You should have paid more attention in your high school chemistry class. Gasoline vapors inside any enclosure need only reach 1.4% of the atmosphere to be explosive. Even more dangerous and lethal than dynamite because of it's lower ignition point. The sweet spot for natural gas is much higher, I think between 7 and 11 %. Countless homes and buildings have been spread over several city blocks because of leaking gerry cans or lawnmower tanks stored in the basement when the vapors find the pilot light on the furnace or someone turns on a light switch.
About ten years ago, a home in Summerland was reduced to pieces no bigger than a 2 foot hunk of shattered 2 by 4 when a gallon of petroleum based concrete sealer was rolled onto the basement floor and the vapors found the furnace pilot light.
You are a fool if you think simple everyday and available items are not possible to cause massive destruction. Plain fertilizer at your garden center, nitrogen, mixed with diesel fuel, is an explosive that is still used at mines. This simple mixture also brought down the Federal Building in the US years back.
So carry on with your naive poo pooing that these two losers would not have been able to harm without help.
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So now these losers have the brains of chemists ?
Terrorism is meant to instill fear.. It seems to be working.
So carry on with your naive poo pooing that these two losers would not have been able to harm without help.
Terrorism is meant to instill fear.. It seems to be working.
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