Legal Marijuana Sales in Future?

sanfish · Post by **sanfish** » Apr 8th, 2014, 12:52 pm

Donald G wrote:Given the fact that only the details remain to be worked out regarding medical patients being able to routinely exercise their legal access to marijuana it will be interesting to see what the mechanics of the system eventualy chosen will consist of.

Down the road the same module will IMO have to be able to adapt to the sale of one ounce lots for what some would call (taxed) recreational use but I would call stress relief for medical reasons.

It is apparent that those presently involved in the "legal and illegal but ignored" selling of marijuana are going to fight tooth and nail in an effort to retain their share of the market. A market with a potential clientelle equal to tobacco and liquor. IMO they are the ones desperately trying to keep the system what it is today, in spite of the fact that the badly corrupted system used today makes it easy for criminal drug gangs to continue to profit. Even though those profiting from the present system would IMO have you believe otherwise.

At the present time the matter is again on hold but at some point, between the politicians and the courts, a decision will eventually evolve. The module that will eventually evolve is anyones guess right now but will no doubt reflect something somewhere between the needy and the greedy. Hopefully the preponderence of consideration will be given to the 40,000 Canadians presently holding a "fully informed permit" signed by a qualified doctor.

Your opinion would be wrong.

Donald, it hurts you'd start yet another marijuana thread in yet a different section and not even invite me to the party ( dude, I even got doobies it'd be fun). I haven't had a chance to peruse/ reply to each and everyone of your posts to corrrect your nonsensical /fallacious "facts" ( so for mow somply refer to the 80 pages of corrections on the other thread ) so I have no idea who else has posted . Did Dr allen and mr atenbacon show up. It's wierd you all disappeared from the other thread.

Donald G · Post by **Donald G** » Apr 8th, 2014, 2:25 pm

To sanfish ...

Perhaps they found the "other thread" too immature and childish, so decided to go elsewhere. People will likely leave this thread as well if the same unsupported allegations and "facts from thin air" are brought to this Legal Marijuana Sales thread. Your initial comment makes me think that that is what will happen now that you have joined the thread.

IMO it is a mistake to permit people who have private marijuana businesses to use these threads to try to falsely belittle every other systems of selling marijuana. IMO it is simply another form of very dishonest advertising by a person with a significant financial interest in the outcome.

sanfish · Post by **sanfish** » Apr 8th, 2014, 3:59 pm

Donald G wrote:Perhaps they found the "other thread" too immature and childish, so decided to go elsewhere. People will likely leave this thread as well if the same unsupported allegations and "facts from thin air" are brought to this Legal Marijuana Sales thread. Your initial comment makes me think that that is what will happen now that you have joined the thread.

IMO it is a mistake to permit people who have private marijuana businesses to use these threads to try to falsely belittle every other systems of selling marijuana. IMO it is simply another form of very dishonest advertising by a person with a significant financial interest in the outcome.

By "they" I assume you mean "you" . Donald this is the last time I'm going to respond to your libellous ( and FALSE) accusations. The rest will simply be removed. How childish are you? Not only have I never had a private matijuana business but how hard is it to understand the words "if it were my way marijuana would be "FREE" ( like pennies on the pound if outdoor or pennies on the gram indoor). The only one on the multiple ( personality) threads youve started who has profited off marijuana ( or at least it's archaic prohibition) is YOU. Well that's only if there's a shred of truth to your self professed qualifications on an anonymous forum *removed*

flamingfingers · Post by **flamingfingers** » Apr 8th, 2014, 4:22 pm

Sanfish wrote to Donald:

The only one on the multiple ( personality) threads youve started who has profited off marijuana ( or at least it's archaic prohibition) is YOU. Well that's only if there's a shred of truth to your self professed qualifications on an anonymous forum

And he and many others have/do/and will continue to profit from prohibition of cannabis and/or drugs.

Read it here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=56223

flamingfingers · Post by **flamingfingers** » Apr 11th, 2014, 6:57 pm

Just proves how screwed up Health Canada is in disseminating information and causing more harm:

RCMP talks YLW pot bust
by Ragnar Haagen | Story: 112954 - Apr 11, 2014 / 4:00 pm
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Marijuana plants grow at the Northwest Patient Resource Center medical marijuana dispensary in Seattle, Wash., Wednesday, Oct. 10, 2012. (AP / Ted S. Warren)

The RCMP has finally said why they seized two shipments of marijuana at Kelowna International Airport last week.
According to Sgt. Duncan Pound of the RCMP Criminal Operations Federal Policing, the pot was seized because it did not match what was authorized to be transferred.

The statement posted on the RCMP website goes on to say it contravened Section 264 of the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations, but no other details were given.

“The RCMP supports efforts to ensure persons permitted by law to have access to marihuana for medical purposes do have that access. The RCMP understands the parameters companies licensed by Health Canada need to follow to produce and ship marihuana for medical purposes under the Marihuana for Medical Purposes Regulations.”

“If activities are undertaken outside of the parameters of these licenses, the RCMP's role is to enforce the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act (CDSA), which is what was done.”

It had previously been learned that Tweed Marijuana Inc. and Mettrum Limited were the two companies that lost product in the seizure. According to The Huffington Post, Tweed has abandoned its shipment, but maintains the company did nothing wrong.

The seizure took place on March 31, the final day Health Canada allowed companies to purchase plants and seeds from patient growers.

http://www.castanet.net/news/Kelowna/11 ... W-pot-bust

Passion4Truth · Post by **Passion4Truth** » Apr 14th, 2014, 12:11 pm

Donald G wrote:You may be of the opinion that you do not need science to become informed regarding the beneficial and harmful effects of the 400 odd chemicals and compounds in marijuana.

It must be one of those "informed by magic things" that delusional people benefit (suffer?) from I guess.

Passion4Truth wrote:But there is science Donald. Medicinal qualities of these cannabinoids are fact, yet the only reason HC allows patients to have access to it is due to a precedent set in court.

And the only one informed by "magic things" is you, Donald. You and your THC/CBD ratio being the most important be all end all of cannabis when research on cannabinoids and terpenes is yet in it's infancy.

Donald G wrote:The man who consistently told medical scientists what they should think rides again. Coming soon to a Legal Marijuana Sales establishment near you. Adult fiction.

sanfish · Post by **sanfish** » Apr 14th, 2014, 12:32 pm

^^^^^^ Please Passion. Surely you must realize someone as experienced at self professing their qualifications won't let something as silly as fact/reality/science to get in the way of his preconceived erroneous notions. He's far too qualified for that

flamingfingers · Post by **flamingfingers** » Apr 14th, 2014, 3:47 pm

For the one(s) who rely on Hellth Canada for information about cannabis, read this:

Top 6 ways Health Canada is screwing up medical marijuana
April 14, 2014. 8:00 am • Section: COMMUNITY

Posted by:
Dana Larsen

There’s a reason patients call it “Hellth Canada,” and it’s not because they’re doing a hell of a job.

Health Canada has been running Canada’s medical marijuana program from the beginning, and they’re really bad at it!
Here’s the top 6 ways they’ve been screwing up.

#6 They can’t decide how to spell marijuana

Cannabis is a plant with many names, but most people call it marijuana and they spell it with a J. They use this word because back in the 20′s, when White Supremacists where writing Canada’s first anti-cannabis laws, they gave it a funny, foreign-sounding new name, so that people wouldn’t know what plant they were really talking about.

It worked great! Even the government people didn’t know what they were doing. The same year Parliament banned “marihuana”, they also passed The Hemp Bounty Act to encourage more cannabis cultivation in the Prairies!

But now Health Canada seems confused by their own linguistic invention. They can’t decide to stick to their own tradition of spelling it with an H, or go with the newfangled spelling and use a J.

This dilemma has proved too much for Health Canada, who seem to have given up and just use both, apparently at random.
On Health Canada’s own main medical cannabis website it’s almost evenly balanced, with 9 marijuanas and 10 marihuanas on the same page.

If Health Canada can’t even figure out how to spell the word marijuana, how the heck can they be trusted to run the program?

#5 Their information is dangerously unclear and out of date

So maybe I’m just being petty about the spelling thing. Who cares how they spell marijuana, as long as their information is all up to date, right?

And as the government agency in charge of the medical marijuana program, Health Canada must be the go-to source for accurate info, right?

Sadly, this is not the case. Health Canada is one of the worst sources for information about their own program, especially for changes that they don’t like.

Go check out their medical marijuana webpage. Or better yet, don’t bother, it’s a confusing inaccurate mess.

Imagine you’re a police officer, looking to find out more about who you’re supposed to be busting in regards to medical marijuana. You’d heard something about a court decision and weren’t sure whether you should be going after home medical gardeners after April 1.

So you go to the Health Canada site and click on “Information for Law Enforcement.” There you find out that patients are “required to destroy all plants and dried marihuana by April 1, 2014.”

Seems clear enough. No mention of any injunctions, or court cases at all. Just a big green light for a medical grower round up. Go get ‘em boys!

The only mention of the injunction, which basically changes everything and is the one thing people will be wanting to know about, is a single text link from the main page, with the innocuous words “Marihuana Medical Access Regulations update.“
Click on that and you get taken to a vaguely worded page that sort of explains the injunction, but not really and not very clearly.

The next “latest update” on their page is one telling patients they must destroy their marijuana on April 1. That doesn’t apply anymore, but hey, why bother deleting or changing it? It’s not like they’re toying with people’s lives or anything.
So basically, the most important change that people will be wanting to know about is almost completely ignored on Health Canada’s website. Great job team!

#4 They won’t call it a prescription

Even though it’s a medicine and your doctor needs to fill out a form before you can buy it, Health Canada insists that you’re not actually getting a “prescription” for marijuana.

Why won’t they call it a prescription? The only reason seems purely vindictive, because making marijuana into a special category of “needing a doctor’s permission but it’s not a prescription” just costs patients a lot more money.

Doctors aren’t allowed to charge extra to write a prescription, but they can legally demand an arbitrary fee to fill out paperwork like a medical marijuana access form. Since they aren’t “prescribing” it, doctors can and do charge a few hundred bucks for patients who need access to cannabis medicine.

Marijuana’s non-prescription status also allows for another kind of money grab. Prescription drugs are exempt from GST, but Health Canada made sure to charge tax on every shipment of their crappy government weed, and they’ve spent a lot of money in court fighting to ensure that medical marijuana users must pay GST as well.

Why does Health Canada want to ensure that patients pay 5% more for their marijuana when it clearly fits into the prescription category? My extensive research points to one conclusion: they’re jerks.

#3 They’re ridiculously slow with paperwork

Health Canada is notorious for taking a very long time to process any marijuana-related documents. Under the original program, patients often spent months in legal limbo, waiting for Health Canada to approve their doctor’s paperwork. Sometimes patients would wait for weeks, only to find that a nameless bureaucrat had lost their form, or that they needed to make a minor change and then resubmit.

On top of all that, Health Canada also forced patients to renew their documentation every year, creating an endless cycle of paperwork, just in case their AIDS or epilepsy got better and they no longer needed to use cannabis.

Now Health Canada has gotten itself out of that mess, and patients with a doctor’s note will be able to connect directly to the Licensed Producers. Great! And how many of the 400 Licensed Producer applications have been approved so far? Oh, uh… a dozen?

Health Canada signed off on the first one at the end of October, and now’s there’s twelve approved producers. So at that rate Health Canada will have gone through their backlog of 400 applications in about 15 years!

Want to get a license to grow medical marijuana in Canada? Put in your application now, maybe it’ll be ready for your toddler to use by the time they’ve grown up.

#2: They wanted patients to destroy their medicine

Health Canada knew there was no way that the dozen newly-licensed producers could possibly have enough cannabis ready to supply the 40,000 registered patients, so they graciously granted growers a six-month extension to help ease the transition.

Hahaha no, of course they didn’t do that! In fact, Health Canada doubled down, demanding that patients not only had to dismantle their home gardens by April 1, but they also had to destroy all their remaining homegrown medicine as well.

If the injunction hadn’t succeeded, then patients would have been forced to mix their bud with kitty litter and put it on the curb! Shutting down the home cannabis gardens is bad enough, but what possible reason is there to make patients throw away their supply of dried bud?

Since patients are growing enough to last them until their next harvest, for most of them this would have meant throwing away 3-4 months of perfectly good medicine. What a waste of time and money!

But never fear, because if you were really desperate to use the cannabis you grew for yourself, Health Canada did offer one legal solution. Just sell your freshly harvested buds to a Licensed Producer, let them dry and trim it, and then buy them all back again!

Believe it or not, that’s totally legal, and Licensed Producers have indeed been buying up fresh buds from patients and their Designated Growers for resale. They only had until April 1 to complete their purchases, so the 400 potential licensees waiting to have their applications approved couldn’t get in on this unique opportunity.

Of course, as a patient trying to buy your medicine back you’d need to pay extra to cover the price mark-up, and also pay for the shipping, and of course you could only order back 150g at a time. But aside from that, it’s easy-peasy! And perfectly logical, at least according to Health Canada.

Wait a minute, wasn’t the whole reason Health Canada wanted to stop home cultivation because they thought some patients and growers might be selling their bud at a profit? So the solution was to encourage them to sell it all for a profit? I’m getting dizzy, and it’s not because of the joint I just smoked.

#1 They fight everything in court

The only reason we have a medical marijuana program in Canada is because patients went to court against Health Canada back in 1998, and won. Health Canada has spent millions of dollars since then, fighting against medical marijuana access every single step of the way, only to lose over and over again.

Yet even when they lose in court, Health Canada still refuses to comply. Here’s one example of their extreme dickishness.

Under the original program, Health Canada arbitrarily decided that Designated Growers could only grow for one patient at a time. The courts ruled that was an unnecessary and unconstitutional restriction, and struck out the limit. Health Canada responded by setting the new limit to two patients per grower. Take that you ungrateful sick people!

In fact, Health Canada is so bad at complying with court decisions that back in 2003 they broke pot prohibition, and accidentally legalized it for everyone! A judge ruled that Health Canada had messed up so bad that the only way to ensure patients had access to medical marijuana was to strike down all the marijuana laws. So they did, and pot was legal all across Canada for several months. Marc Emery went around doing bong hits in front of police stations to prove it!

Actually, the kind of incompetence that results in legalization for everyone is something I can get behind, but then the courts elbowed their way back in and “fixed” Health Canada’s med-pot rules themselves, which was the only way they could get the genie back in the bottle and reinstate all those lovely prohibition laws which Canadians had missed so much.

If all that’s not enough, here’s another, more recent example. Not only is Health Canada still fighting in court to keep patients from growing their own cannabis medicine, they’re also battling to stop patients from even making their own cannabis tea or cookies!

Health Canada has already limited the Licensed Producers to only selling dried, smokable buds. But if a patient chooses to cook that legal bud with some butter, then strain out the plant matter and spread that infused canna-butter on toast, Health Canada says they have committed a criminal offence! Like always, they’re willing to spend your tax dollars to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court if they have to.

If Health Canada spent as much time and money on researching medical marijuana and creating a properly-run system as they have on court battles against patients, then we’d all be a lot better off. But unless you’ve just taken a big bong-hit, I wouldn’t hold your breath.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/04/1 ... marijuana/

Donald G · Post by **Donald G** » Apr 15th, 2014, 11:20 am

The childish half truths and complete fabrication of information directed a enabling those with legal and illegal marijuana growing and sales businesses will continue in a moment. Led primarily by the two self professed most knowledgeable egocentrics available. The 35 or so PHds at Health Canada can not in any way compare with them regarding anything to do with marijuana ... according to their own comments trashing Health Canada.

flamingfingers · Post by **flamingfingers** » Apr 15th, 2014, 12:16 pm

Who said PHds were smart?

steven lloyd · Post by **steven lloyd** » Apr 15th, 2014, 5:21 pm

flamingfingers wrote:Who said PHds were smart?

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sanfish · Post by **sanfish** » Apr 15th, 2014, 8:00 pm

^^^^^^^ ohhhh that's what he was trying to say? Finally something that makes sense

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