ICBC - overcharged customers

[Smurf]

How do you know they screwed up. I asked if they did. Do you have any proof. What do you think would happen in the private industry. Would not the managers responsible be hauled up on the line. What if as they say it was a problem with the old program. Whose responsibility is that. certainly not the workers. Ultimately it is all managements responsibility.

You might as well give up RW , first you guys tried to change it HST and got shot down, now you're trying unions. It isn't going to work, MANAGEMENT is ultimately RESPONSIBLE.

[matai]

In some crown corps in other provinces, what they do is they get rid of the bonus to look good, but increase their wage so that it comes up to the bonus they would have earned anyways.

So much for the taxpayer eh?

[Rwede]

In private industry, the professional programmers would be fired for incompetence.

In the government union, the programmers would get the same raise as the rest of the union and a defined benefit pension plan.

There's very little that is "professional" in a union.

[Smurf]

Maybe in private industry the manager or managers would be fired for not buying a proper program that worked the way it was supposed to. I know you like to think all the worlds problems are caused by unions but as usual you have no proof. That is probably why you like the private business because you can be a bully and fire people with zero proof. At least I assume as usual you haven't come up with any.

[goatboy]

Maybe in private industry the manager or managers would be fired for not buying a proper program that worked the way it was supposed to.

Any idea how most software works? Garbage in, garbage out.

[Smurf]

In years gone by I have done programing so I have a bit of an idea. I'm just not sure what has happened in this case. The article said the problem was a 40 year old program. I asked if it could have been input errors by workers. EW grabbed that and said all the union programmer's should be fired. I asked if he had any proof they had anything to do with it. Actually I believe I said we will probably never know for sure.

However I still feel managers are responsible for what goes on under their watch. On worksites I have seen managers held responsible and fined for accidents that happened when they weren't even there. They were still held ultimately responsible by the courts for those under them.

[flamingfingers]

The managers knew the program was a 'legacy' program. If they claim they did not know, they should be fired for incompetence.

The people working with this 40-year-old system undoubtedly had their frustrations with it and I am quite sure brought this up to their managers. The managers should be severely reprimanded for not bringing the subject of computer program upgrades to budget meetings.

Since the managers in control of the budgeting process chose not to upgrade the computers and the program and chose instead to pat themselves on the back and reward themselves for their 'good work' by granting themselves 'performance bonuses', they should be fired immediately for gross incompetence!!

I fully agree with you, Smurf - the ultimate responsibility lies with MANAGERS.

ICBC - one of many "Clown Corporations"!

[Hassel99]

The managers knew the program was a 'legacy' program. If they claim they did not know, they should be fired for incompetence.

The people working with this 40-year-old system undoubtedly had their frustrations with it and I am quite sure brought this up to their managers. The managers should be severely reprimanded for not bringing the subject of computer program upgrades to budget meetings.

Since the managers in control of the budgeting process chose not to upgrade the computers and the program and chose instead to pat themselves on the back and reward themselves for their 'good work' by granting themselves 'performance bonuses', they should be fired immediately for gross incompetence!!

I fully agree with you, Smurf - the ultimate responsibility lies with MANAGERS.

ICBC - one of many "Clown Corporations"!

Welcome to 18 months ago !!

ICBC fires mostly managers as it slashes 250 jobs

VANCOUVER -- B.C.'s public auto insurer is slashing 250 jobs, most of them in management.
The restructuring move at the Insurance Corp. of B.C. means five members of the previous executive have left the company and two executive positions have been eliminated.
The company's interim president Mark Blucher has also announced that four non-executive vice-president jobs have been eliminated.


A scathing government review earlier this year condemned ICBC for its hefty signing bonuses and millions of dollars in severance pay.
The company says the staffing reductions will be made earlier than planned, with a majority of them happening this year.
ICBC says more changes are coming as it brings compensation policy in line with the government's new guidelines


Read more: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/icbc-fires-mostly- ... z2z0RGOemv

[flamingfingers]

Slashes 250 jobs? According to the article, I count a grand total of 11 'managers.' Where are the rest of the 'most of the 250 jobs'?

And after this supposed 'housecleaning' has anything really changed? Turn on the laugh machine.

[Rwede]

*removed*

[Bubalouie]

Just checked both our vehicles and we don't get anything back........
And when we lived in Alberta, we insured 3 vehicles for less than we pay for one now....

[delSol97]

I've had numerous plates and many vehicles over 5 years ... I assume they have all the details, but looking up my current plates probably wouldn't be all that useful.

[delSol97]

Just checked both our vehicles and we don't get anything back........
And when we lived in Alberta, we insured 3 vehicles for less than we pay for one now....

That's the one problem I have with ICBC. No multi-vehicle discount.

A single person with 1 vehicle might not see much difference between Alberta and ICBC, but if you have multiple cars it can make a huge difference.

My understanding on how things work in the States is that you just register your vehicle for x amount of dollars per year, and then insure the driver... which makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[Bsuds]

My understanding on how things work in the States is that you just register your vehicle for x amount of dollars per year, and then insure the driver... which makes a hell of a lot more sense.

With their system the possibility of no insurance is much greater.

[Smurf]

My vehicle in Arizona is insured, not me. You cannot licence a vehicle in Arizona without first having insurance and if you cancel it or allow it to lapse the insurance company immediately notifies the DMV. When I take off my regular insurance and put on storage insurance for the summer, DMV is notified by the insurance company. I have to get proper insurance before the licence is valid again. I have spoken to people who have been picked up by the police cameras and asked to produce their valid insurance when their new insurance hasn't shown up for some reason. But like Canadian provinces I'm sure every state has something a bit different.