Violent arrest of teen

[maryjane48]

To hozzle ...

You spit at most decent cops you are going to pay a price. Definitely in court when charged with assault but likely also in the form of street level behaviour modification.

You will also be tested for aids, Hep C and other communicable diseases as well.

street level behavior modification like this don g ?

A Vancouver-area police officer has been charged with second-degree murder in connection with a standoff outside a casino two years ago.

BC's criminal justice branch says the charge was approved against Cst. Jordan MacWilliams of the Delta Police Department.

Forty-eight-year-old Mehrdad Bayrami was shot in November 2012 after an hours-long standoff in the parking lot of the Starlight Casino, located in nearby New Westminster.

Bayrami, who was from Richmond, died several days later.

The province's Independent Investigations Office forwarded a report to Crown counsel in July of last year, though prosecutors subsequently requested more information.

The criminal justice branch says MacWilliams appeared in court today and was released on bail, with his next date set for Dec. 18.

http://www.castanet.net/news/BC/125166/ ... ith-murder

[Ken7]

I see merit in some of the earlier posts and I won't say all cops are bad, but even without seeing the initial part of the confrontation was the action warranted? If he spat at him would it be justified? http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florid ... l/24531474
I know this is in the states and it was a corrections officer but it just goes to show what can provoke excessive force.

As for some of the other officers in that Terrace incident that had not hit the teen, I feel will support the officer who did the hitting if/when it gets investigated by the IIOBC.

How can anyone suggest this? Do you personally know these officers? You might find Police Officers will give the facts of what occurred, Then leave it to the powers to be, to determine the outcome. I've been there in situations like this and no it isn't fun, but it is certainly not worth destroying ones credibility. Many Police Officers have Integrity, you obviously have no idea on this topic!

[hozzle]

...How can anyone suggest this? Do you personally know these officers? You might find Police Officers will give the facts of what occurred, Then leave it to the powers to be, to determine the outcome. I've been there in situations like this and no it isn't fun, but it is certainly not worth destroying ones credibility. Many Police Officers have Integrity, you obviously have no idea on this topic!

OK, now read the post again... I have a "feeling"... I'm not claiming I know what's going to happen. I wouldn't say I obviously have no idea on this topic BUT I will say I have a more open and objective view on the subject matter.
There is this thread and another similar thread topic which states why I have this feeling.

[Donald G]

To lakevixen ...

If he committed murder then he should be fund guilty of murder. If there is a reasonable doubt he should be acquitted. Just like every other Canadian.

Are you complaining that he was charged or offering the incident to show that the police murdered someone before the evidence has been given or is publicly known? Any use of excessive force ALWAYS has to be justified, No exceptions. Especially extreme excessive force.

IMO the officer firing the shot will have to show that he was convinced that he himself or someone else was in immediate danger of death or grievous bodily harm if he had not "taken action" to nullify the immediate threat and that no lesser and effective degree of force was immediately available to nullify the immediate threat. As far as I know, that is the standard that all Canadian Police Forces are trained to meet.

I do not profess to speak for the police. Only to express my opinion as a Citizen of Canada who has had some experience in policing and the police compendium of justifying the application of force.

[fvkasm2x]

I doubt if the IIO will investigate this one. It doesn't fit in with their mandate.

In looking at the video I would say that the last punch constituted an assault. The guy was proned-out and handcuffed. There did not appear to be any reason to hit him again. Also, I can't say that I am impressed with the way the guy was "escorted" to the back seat of the police vehicle.

I am almost always behind law enforcement in these types of situations, because the suspect is almost always resisting, either passively or aggressively. A few stuns or strikes solves that problem quickly.

However, I didn't really see anything that warranted the shots given here... especially since a few looked like slaps to the back of the head. Not sure where he learned that technique...

[simnut]

Something to read.....

http://apbweb.com/hard-keep-caring/

[Donald G]

To simnut ...

I have taken the liberty of posting a printed out version of your posted article. I have met hundreds of cops during my 32 years of service and IMO 90% of them would have expressed those same thoughts had they had the writing ability of the author.

Both you and he have done both society and the police a huge favour by writing and drawing attention to the article.


Today, I stopped caring about my fellow man. I stopped caring about my community, my neighbors, and those I serve. I stopped caring today because a once noble profession has become despised, hated, distrusted, and mostly unwanted.

I stopped caring today because parents refuse to teach their kids right from wrong and blame us when they are caught breaking the law. I stopped caring today because parents tell their little kids to be good or “the police will take you away” embedding a fear from year one. Moms hate us in their schools because we frighten them and remind them of the evil that lurks in the world.

They would rather we stay unseen, but close by if needed, but readily available to “fix their kid.” I stopped caring today because we work to keep our streets safe from mayhem in the form of reckless, drunk, high, or speeding drivers, only to be hated for it, yet hated even more because we didn’t catch the drunk before he killed someone they may know.

Nevertheless, we are just another tool used by government to generate “revenue.” I stopped caring today because Liberals hate the police as we carry guns, scare kids, and take away their drugs. We always kill innocent people with unjust violence. We are called bullies for using a Taser during a fight, but are condemned further for not first tasing the guy who pulls a gun on us.

And if we do have to shoot, we are asked “why didn’t you just shoot the gun out of their hand?” And when one of us is killed by the countless attacks that do happen (but are rarely reported in the mainstream media) the haters say, “Its just part of the job.” I stopped caring today because Conservatives hate us as we are “the Government.” We try to take away their guns, freedoms, and liberty at every turn.

We represent a “Police State” where “jackbooted badge-wearing thugs” randomly attack innocent people without cause or concern for constitutional rights. We are Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Rodney King all rolled into one lone police officer stopping to help change an old lady’s tire. I stopped caring today as no one wants us around, but instantly demands answers, results, arrests, when a crime takes place.

If a crime isn’t solved within the allocated 60 minutes it takes CSI on television, we are inept, incompetent, or covering something up. If we do get “lucky” it was just that and everyone with a Facebook account can post wonderful comments of how “they” would solve the case and how “we” are not nearly as clever.

I stopped caring today because a video of a cop six states away, from a department that you never heard of, screws up and forgets his oath of honor, thus firing up an internet lynch-mob of cop haters even though 99% of us work twice as hard not to end up in the news and to still be “the good guys.” We are “militarized” because we wear body armor and kevlar helmets when shots are fired or rocks thrown at us and carry scary looking rifles even though everyone knows that they are easier to shoot and are more accurate than a handgun or a shotgun.

I stopped caring today because the culture of today’s instantly connected youth is only there to take and never give back. To never accept responsibility for ones actions, but to blame everyone else instead of themselves. To ask “what is in it for me?” versus “what can I do for you?”

To idolize gangsters, thugs, sexually promiscuous behavior, and criminals over hard work, dedication, and achievement. To argue that getting stoned should be a right, yet getting a job or an education is a hassle. To steal verus earn. To hate versus help. Yes, I stopped caring today. But tomorrow, I will put my uniform back on and I will care again.

Daniel Furseth is a lieutenant with the DeForest, Wisconsin Police Department.

[Donald G]

The only aspect in the article that I completely disagree with is that the police in Canada are "hated" ( or even disliked) by society.

IMO they are hated by a very small fraction of society, feared by about half of the population and trusted to readily respond and carry out their duties by almost all of the Canadian population. That is an extremely high standard to maintain.

[hozzle]

I read the article simnut linked us, it was an interesting perspective... a simple point that I wish was approached by some when it both supports and opposes their firmly held beliefs.
I am surprised that some here do not vehemently dismiss it due to the fact it is an American perspective... at least I don't.

[cutter7]

I read the article simnut linked us, it was an interesting perspective... a simple point that I wish was approached by some when it both supports and opposes their firmly held beliefs.
I am surprised that some here do not vehemently dismiss it due to the fact it is an American perspective... at least I don't.

I caught that too,, although I am not surprised at all.

[simnut]

But, the last line is THE most important, and I think the gist of the whole article.

But tomorrow, I will put my uniform back on and I will care again.

[maryjane48]

But, the last line is THE most important, and I think the gist of the whole article.

that is the job, it is not a point for pity

[Donald G]

How did the word pity get dragged into the discussion.

Disgust? Anger? Frustration? Possibly. Pity? Nope.

[steven lloyd]

How did the word pity get dragged into the discussion.

Indeed - a good question. Talk about completely missing the point.

[simnut]

that is the job, it is not a point for pity

That IS the job, hence the last line. It's not a job you or many could do....keep THAT in mind!!!!!!!!!!