RCMP tactics in Slocan, fear of de Groot

[maryjane48]

So back to this - he was obviously in someone else's cabin and that makes it not his business - he'd be trespassing

. i already said that , but when first contacted by police when he apparently fired shots where was he?

[maryjane48]

This is the law! Police can suspect all sorts of things about you or your actions but unless they have sufficient proof to obtain a search warrant then what goes on behind closed doors is private.

right and when he first supposedly fired shots was he handed a search warrant

[omisimaw]

its in another thread , now the cabin might not apply as it was someone elses place , but where was mr degroot when the police first came in to arrest him?

LOL, in another thread, in regards to another matter and a whole slew of other issues and laws.... try to at least stay on topic of this thread ....

As for where the deceased was when the police first arrived is irrelevant and has been from the time the deceased picked up a weapon and fired. At that point it did not matter if he was inside anything or standing on the road.

You need to read
http://ccla.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Know-Your-Rights-Booklet1.pdf

[maryjane48]

*remove*

[Fancy]

i already said that , but when first contacted by police when he apparently fired shots where was he?

At his residence.

[Donald G]

To lakevixen ...

Wrong again ...

In the event of an emergency involving human life or firearms the police CAN legally enter any location or building and apply for the search warrant AFTER entering the residence.

Wrong again ...

The police do not need "Proof" of wrongdoing. They only need to have reasonable grounds to believe that a crime has been committed and that evidence concerning that crime is to be found in a certain privately owned location to apply for a search warrant.

WADR you keep making comments without having a clue what you are talking about. If you spent as much time searching for the actual law as you do making completely false allegations about what the police can or can not do you could avoid needlessly tying yourself in emotional knots over and over again.

[simnut]

right and when he first supposedly fired shots was he handed a search warrant

Would you be handing a search warrant to a guy pointing a gun at you? Aside from the fact a search warrant had nothing to do with it at this point.

[omisimaw]

http://ccla.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Know-Your-Rights-Booklet1.pdf

There are a number of circumstances in which the police are allowed to enter your home. These
include:
1. The police have a warrant to enter your home to arrest someone
2. The police have a search warrant
3. The police have permission from you or someone else in authority in your home
4. There are urgent circumstances that require the police to enter your home

They do not enter and then get search warrants after the fact, there are circumstances that allow for entry without warrant.

You need to read the brochure to possibly educate yourself on YOUR rights and those of others in this type of situation.

[simnut]

just a citizen - what does that mean? oh right, not an RCMP officer (the special citizens) in other words a citizen without credit.

You are certainly correct. A citizen that WAS NOT THERE at the time, so it's an opinion, not a fact with credit.

It is my opinion that this individual has very acute common sense to ask the question " what if the RCMP showed up at my farm?" Just like they showed up at Greg Matters property and took his life.

Is he of troubled mind? Does he give the RCMP any reason to "worry" about him? No, and therefore should not worry about police showing up at his farm. Both De Groot and Matters where cases where danger to the public were involved..requiring police involvement.

[Smurf]

A few people around here should take a quick flip down to Brazil and see what w real militia type police force and excessive force are really like.

Study: Police kill 6 people per day
by The Canadian Press | Story: 126678 - Nov 12, 2014 / 8:16 am


FILE - In this Oct. 1, 2014 file photo, the shadows of police from a special operations battalion are cast on Avenida Brasil as they battle with alleged drug traffickers near an entrance to the Vila do Joao slum inside the Complexo da Mare in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. (AP Photo/Felipe Dana, File)
Brazilian police killed more than 11,000 people between 2009 and 2013 for an average of six killings a day, a public safety NGO said Tuesday.

The study by the Sao Paulo-based Brazilian Forum on Public Safety said police nationwide killed 11,197 people over the past five years, while law enforcement agents in the United States killed 11,090 people over the past 30 years.

"The empirical evidence shows that Brazilian police make abusive use of lethal force to respond to crime and violence," the report said.

There were 416 people killed last year in Rio de Janeiro state, giving it the highest per-capita rate for 2013.

The study also said 50,806 people were killed in all homicides last year, about one person every 10 minutes.

Nearly 70 per cent of the homicide victims were black and more than half were ages 15 to 29, it said.

In addition to using excessive force, Brazilian police frequently execute suspects, said Bruno Paes Manso of the University of Sao Paulo's Center for the Study on Violence. He called it "a practice rarely investigated."

I realize none of this has anything to do with Canada or De Groot but it is a good example of excessive force by police forces.

[A_Britishcolumbian]

today marks 2 years since rcmp killed peter degroot, and still we have no iio report.

here is what iio said one year ago...

The case is being looked at by B.C.'s police watchdog, which reviews police handling of incidents that result in death or serious injury.

A spokesman for the Independent Investigations Office says the agency is still waiting for reports about some of the elements of the investigation, including a firearms analysis, which is expected within the next two months.

A statement released by the family's lawyer Sunday says they are thankful for the love and support they have received over the past year, and that they are still waiting to see the results of the investigation.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3267367

[Fancy]

"It's absolutely brutal, especially for the families of people killed by police, and for the officers themselves, to have to wait that long," King said.

Speaking for the IIO, Marten Youssef said many of the delays in investigations are beyond their control.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3580472

[A_Britishcolumbian]

The sister of a man shot and killed by police at the end of a manhunt in Slocan, B.C., is suing the provincial and federal governments over the RCMP's handling of the incident.

Peter de Groot died on Oct. 13, 2014, days after police said they responded to a dispute between neighbours and he fired a shot at officers before running into the forest.

But the lawsuit filed in B.C. Supreme Court by Danna de Groot alleges police fired the first shots and officers caused or contributed to a chain of events that led to her brother's death.

The suit says both governments are liable for the actions of the RCMP, which is federally and provincially funded.

"There was no attempt at any de-escalation before a forced entry into the cabin, and lethal force was used on Peter," the statement says.

The application of lethal force on de Groot was not justifiable and his death was wrongful, it says.

http://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/sister- ... -1.2364620

[Fancy]

That was to be expected:

"There is a limitation period of two years to start an action in most cases now, and people who are directly involved in these incidents, and families who have been affected, that's often the deadline where they have to decide if they're going to take action against a police department," King told On The Coast guest host Gloria Macarenko.