Veteran ticketed escorting body of Private Steven Allen

[wanderingman]

some of you cop bashers need to move to brazil ,were the cops there shoot on average 6 people a day, we have the best police force for in the world and you people still complain,

there in lies the problem.We don't have the best police force in the world.If we did no one would have a complaint
The problem is we hire people based on merit.When we see they are failing we for some reason fail to remove them before harm is done.I don't have all the answers but I can say this.I would be way harsher on the bad cops and at a much quicker pace than what we see today.Heck even the high up cops do underhanded and stupid things but it all comes down to accountability and we see very little of that in this day and age
All cops these days want is the big wage and generous pensions.There chicken chits most all of them.Shoot first and ask questions later mentality
the people the force is hiring these days is bad . one good example is a women I know whos daughter is a complete looser
whom is lazy and the lot plus 30 lbs overweight and very fragile mentally has been accepted into training?
this is what we get these days. Stupid.lazy incompetent people

[MAPearce]

To MAPearce ...

According to your comments on another thread the letter of the law MUST be enforced on every occasion. I take it that you agree whole heartedly that the person escorting the fallen soldier's body to the funeral home should have been issued a traffic ticket as noted? No police discretion? I am truly disappointed MAP.

D, I come from Victoria... I have family on that force.

Take my advice and DONT trust those idiots. If you get a ticket, just take it and call the IIO.


Best of luck

[KL3-Something]

............Lots and lots and lots. And if any of them get pulled over for the sake of being given an "FYI" and that FYI is not well received, then that officer is well within their right to write that person a ticket.....

Yes, you're correct, one can talk themselves into a ticket

...........I am always suspect when the person who gets the ticket thinks that their best recourse is to go straight to the media.

I don't know how the media got involved

As for your previous statement:

You responded to MAPearce who stated : "VicPD is full of Jerks"

You replied : "Every police force has it's fair share, Mike. Although I have heard that VicPD and VPD tend to have slightly higher concentration. But that's just anecdotal, I've never lived in either place to experience it first hand."

(I don't know why VPD entered the story, as this pertained to Victoria, not Vancouver)

Sorry, for the misunderstanding. It's just that when a police officer kicks someone in the head, I felt that he was a jerk, but on reflection he is much worse, as is the member having sex with a gang land slaying witness, as well the member who was so stupid to IRP a passenger isn't really a jerk, he is an incompetent fool.

I get it now. VicPD and VPD, are more stringent in enforcing traffic laws, making them jerks, RCMP are in a different category for their actions, some criminal, some just real stupid.

Did you come to your conclusion here by crunching the numbers we were discussing earlier where you found that the RCMP is disproportionally high in these kinds of sometimes Criminal, sometimes just real stupid acts? Or are you just speaking from emotion during the course of a disagreement?

I've always considered your posts to be those of a person with good critical thinking skills.

Maybe I was wrong.

[my5cents]

..............Did you come to your conclusion here by crunching the numbers we were discussing earlier where you found that the RCMP is disproportionally high in these kinds of sometimes Criminal, sometimes just real stupid acts? Or are you just speaking from emotion during the course of a disagreement?

I've always considered your posts to be those of a person with good critical thinking skills.

Maybe I was wrong.

I think if you review my statements I didn't suggest the RCMP had a higher incident of anything vs VicPD or VPD.

As for your question : "Did you come to your conclusion here by crunching the numbers", I believe it was you who introduced the suggestion that : "VicPD and VPD tend to have slightly higher concentration" the qualification of that contention was not derived by you "crunching the numbers", but as you say "what you heard" and that it was "just anecdotal".

I then asked that by a "higher concentration" of what MAPearce called "jerks" if you meant police officers who : "misreading situations and tazering innocent confused travelers, then lying about it, or having sex with gang members GFs while investigating the gang member for multiple murders, or do you mean just kicking a guy in the face after an arrest or perhaps giving an IRP to a passenger in a car,"

You then clarified the matter by advising :"I'm sorry, are we talking about police misconduct here? Or are we talking about jerk cops who would write their own grandmother a ticket?"

So from this it would appear that you, not I, were basing your assessment of the number of "jerks" working in the VicPD and the VPD, by "what you heard". Upon verification you clarified that the "jerk" police officers you were referring to were not involved in "police misconduct", they were "jerk cops who would write their own grandmother a ticket".

[wanderingman]

:"I'm sorry, are we talking about police misconduct here? Or are we talking about jerk cops who would write their own grandmother a ticket?"

I think the latter is what we are saying here although if upper management had any Balls they would have quashed this ticket in a heartbeat. COPS are bad in so many ways but when management either takes no action or refuses to agree the cop is a dud then you get the results we keep getting

[the truth]

the problem is not the cops, its all the goofs out there committing the crimes

[wanderingman]

the problem is not the cops, its all the goofs out there committing the crimes

I doubt anyone would fault a cop for interfering with someone committing a crime.

[Donald G]

To wanderingman ...

IMO what you are suggesting be done presents a far far more serious problem to society than ticketing a vehicle carrying a body to the Undertaker. You are saying you want a more senior cop to be able to "FIX" any ticket issued by any more junior cop. That is a horribly slippery slope that could easily lead to blatant corruption. Only a judge in open court can quash a charge FOR PUBLICLY STATED CAUSE upon application by Crown Council for very good reason.

That exact situation occurred in Vernon a few years back when a senior officer "FIXED" a traffic ticket for a member of his family and ended up in court as a result of his unacceptable behaviour. As he should have.

[MAPearce]

What ? .... RULES ?

Say it ain't so D.... say it ain't so

[Donald G]

To MAPearce ...

There is a world of difference between "interpreting" your own rules and professing to have the right to interpret the purpose of the rules laid down for another agency to follow. It's a matter of maintaining the safety of having checks and balances.

The IIO made a decision entirely within his purview and maintained the purpose of the rule. The cop in Vernon did not. Asy you say, "simple".

[Treblehook]

Kl3 Something wrote: "Personally I'd like to know the whole story before passing judgment on the officer who wrote the ticket."

I can't imagine a set of circumstances that would justify this police officer issuing a ticket for an obstructed license plate, when it ought to have been clearly evident, or immediately known through discussion with the driver, that she was involved in the escort of a soldiers remains. I suppose there are circumstances where a violation ticket would be justified for an obstructed license plate, but more frequently, the appropriate action for an officer would be to stop and warn a motorist of the obstruction and perhaps issue a warning ticket. The Chief of Police has come out publicly and apologized for what his officer did and called his actions regrettable or some such. That public statement itself tends to suggest the issuance of the ticket in this instance was unnecessary and ill advised. It seems a reasonable conclusion that this officer was overzealous in his actions; and [in doing so] he provided a perfect example of how to garner unnecessary negative publicity and to damage his own reputation and the image of his department. One would hope that he was a very junior officer as opposed to someone more senior who ought to know better.

[wanderingman]

Kl3 Something wrote: "Personally I'd like to know the whole story before passing judgment on the officer who wrote the ticket."

I can't imagine a set of circumstances that would justify this police officer issuing a ticket for an obstructed license plate, when it ought to have been clearly evident, or immediately known through discussion with the driver, that she was involved in the escort of a soldiers remains. I suppose there are circumstances where a violation ticket would be justified for an obstructed license plate, but more frequently, the appropriate action for an officer would be to stop and warn a motorist of the obstruction and perhaps issue a warning ticket. The Chief of Police has come out publicly and apologized for what his officer did and called his actions regrettable or some such. That public statement itself tends to suggest the issuance of the ticket in this instance was unnecessary and ill advised. It seems a reasonable conclusion that this officer was overzealous in his actions; and [in doing so] he provided a perfect example of how to garner unnecessary negative publicity and to damage his own reputation and the image of his department. One would hope that he was a very junior officer as opposed to someone more senior who ought to know better.

you are 100% correct in my opinion and the fact the guys boss has apologized kind of says it all