Murdered child...

[Catz]

Made some calls today...no one cares...it is a gig stupid game for lawyers and making money, no one...NO ONE cares about the real emotions. Sick

[omisimaw]

What are you talking about? Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Calls to who and for what?
If you think for one moment any authority is going to say anything during a murder investigation to someone who is nothing more than the general public to them then guess again.
You might like to find the reporter that interviewed the pastor of her church and give him a call but suffice to say after his interview he too has been asked not to speak again.
The interview was about a day or two after the event and I believe it stated he was from a Baptist organization.

[omisimaw]

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/12/13/lisa-batstone-teagan-murder_n_6318588.html
One news report but there are many if one needs to hear more what friends and contacts are now saying
Edit to add a church statement
http://bc.ctvnews.ca/church-reeling-after-surrey-girl-s-death-1.2147528

Interesting to note they bring in grief counsel for the congregation .... wonder if they ever offered to pay for special counseling for the mother? Just saying it is not free by any means to all.... and if she had an MD and this was left to manifest itself then wow....

[kgcayenne]

The rest of us read that article when it came out last Friday. What point are you trying to make?

The point I'd like to make is that when families break up, judges are too quick to award living arrangements as though having a uterus precludes harmful actions toward the child, and at the same time, they are too frikken dismissive over any harm that may come from an angry father.

No one looks out for the kids, it seems, it's all about parents' egos.

[the truth]

so she tried to kill herself , but was still able to keep custody of this poor little girl, man bashing at its best

[omisimaw]

so she tried to kill herself , but was still able to keep custody of this poor little girl, man bashing at its best

Actually agree with you!
Nothing released states that she was not off her nut before the marriage breakup, and there is nothing that states the man was the winner of any husband OR father of the year award.
What is annoying is those that were around here daily over the last 6 years, those who saw the child interacting and being cared for by the mother since she was 2 years old, did not see the escalation in this mothers behaviour.
Obviously the father coming to town and taking the child to a hotel for a couple of days visit had some sort of trigger. What or why is unclear but the first thing out of the fathers mouth was the courts did him wrong.
Having faith in the system and knowing that they look at the good of the child more often than not one can only wonder why he was not granted custody IF his side of things were being heard.
Nothing has been stated about other family. Was she surrounded by family? Was she raised and from BC? Was he raised and from Ont or did he relocate there after the split?
It does take a village to raise a child and court or no court if you felt a child was in danger would you not do your best to take control of the situation? Even if it meant not leaving the woman alone with the child and having to put your own life on hold?
For all anyone knows both the father and the mother have problems and heck could have had problems from day one, long before the child was born....
Obviously if a person is that well known by the church and that entrenched in the congregation then there has been a failing on the part of the church.... grief counseling? Really! Way too little too late....

[Catz]

The rest of us read that article when it came out last Friday. What point are you trying to make?

The point I'd like to make is that when families break up, judges are too quick to award living arrangements as though having a uterus precludes harmful actions toward the child, and at the same time, they are too frikken dismissive over any harm that may come from an angry father.

No one looks out for the kids, it seems, it's all about parents' egos.

Yup...I so agree. It amazes me how someone who does not know the whole dynamics can make a decision on the children. The egos and have to one up is stupid, and the lawyers thrive on this...all they see is dollar signs. Who is looking after the kids best interest????? It is them who are caught in the middle.

[Catz]

who is looking out for the children.... no one.
toodles for tonight. sad,and well, very sad.

[omisimaw]

What lawyers?
You assume this was in a court of law, family court, and that both individuals had representation by lawyers.....
WOW! that is really stereotyping everyone - the mother, the father, any lawyer involved, child protective services, doctors, religious leaders, the judge.....
It is possible the mother WAS the best of two evils.... possible she had been ill for a very very long time, maybe even her whole life.
In any event this woman was connected to a group of people that are by all they say supposed to be a safe haven for a troubled soul. They, the church and especially the pastor, had a legal obligation to contact child services and arrange to have her evaluated if he felt so strongly about her condition.
The church she frequented saw signs but did not foresee any danger to the child. These are professional people, educated and highly skilled counselors, who saw her in a much different light than a court of law and yet they saw no danger to the child.... so why then should the courts have thought any different?

Male bashing or lawyer bashing is somewhat of a mystical way of thinking in this situation.....

[the truth]

a church is the last place on this planet I would look too, for safety of a child

[Catz]

a church is the last place on this planet I would look too, for safety of a child

The best post of the day!

[omisimaw]

a church is the last place on this planet I would look too, for safety of a child

Interesting comment..... obviously you are not, as this woman was, a member in good standing of a congregation and in receipt, by his own words, of the support and help of the church.

When someone comes out on the defensive right out of the gate, as is the case of the pastor in this situation, it always makes one go "Whoa!" or at least "Hmmmmmm!".

Ministers, pastors, priests, rabbi's, people of the cloth are surely bound by the same legal rules of reporting that affect teachers, group leaders, counselors, etc. IF they have any intuition through observation or conversation with the individual that would remotely suggest the child MAY be in harms way then they are duty bound to report it to authorities.

"The Act requires that anyone who has reason to believe that a child may be abused, neglected, or is for any other reason in need of protection, must report it to the Director or a delegated social worker. " MCFD

It would appear from the surface, with the minimal amount of information available, that this woman / family and child were not being treated or under any form of scrutiny or investigation by the professionals charged with such investigations or complaints.

These reports are investigated by social workers, who take the most appropriate action that is least disruptive for the child. These actions may include:

providing or arranging the provision of support services to the family
supervising the child's care in the home, or
protecting the child through removal from the family and placement with relatives, a foster family or specialized residential resources.

[jamapple]

I believe what Truth was referring to was the past regarding the safety and security of children in the church. I got it completely, and agree. When all of those attrociaous things were happening to children in the church, by the church, where were the priests, rabis, etc then to protect them?

[the truth]

correct, thank you

[zoo]

http://thoughtcatalog.com/jim-goad/2014 ... heir-kids/

It is so very sad when this happens. These children are in the custody of there trusted mothers and this continually happens. And now the 8 children in Australia.
The stat's also show a total difference in how they are treated with in the law and society after these cases.
Makes you sick hearing of this type of violence and then even more sick to see the dealings of these mothers in our social and legal system afterwards. Maybe its time for everyone to treat all types of domestic violence for what it is.