Conservation officer has a big heart

[twobits]

Although it was my point that it seems easier for the Gov't to just adop a policy whereby animals in these situations are destoyed rather than rehab'd or relocated.
To them, its more "fiscally responsible" to dispose of an animal who, as in this example, has presented a danger to humans by habitually encroaching on their territory.

Absolutly out of the question for the ministry to relocate the animal or spend any financial resources at all to (humanely) correct the situation.

This is pathetic to me.

Pure emotional response.Let's say we make you the king of provincial finances for a period of time. When your plate becomes full of funding requests for all things altruistic like hot lunches paid for disadvantaged kids, shelter for the homeless, basic health care and dentist care, safe injection sites for heroin addicts....yadda yadda.....let's see you make the decision that rehabbing two bear cubs to MAYBE and very unlikely have a future as non habituated animals is a priority budget item.
Personally, as much as I love and respect wildlife, I would much rather see a hundred kids get a hot lunch and a visit to a dentist once a year for what the failed attempt at getting these two cubs to be "natural wild" again. It just ain't gonna happen and the statistics of these failed attempts from the past have proven it to be true. That is why the policies of Conservation have deemed euthanasia as the proper policy to follow.
I have NEVER met a Conservation Officer that does not get a teary eye when they have to put down an animal. Much the same as what a pet owner faces when that time comes.
You would have to be a psychopath to be devoid of understanding of where this particular Conservation Officer was coming from. Thinking humans get it. Unfortunately, he may have made the wrong choice of career if he is not able to to the mandated job required of him that is clearly backed by probabilities of success with rehab. And the alternate uses of those dollars for yet another failed attempt.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

let's see you make the decision that rehabbing two bear cubs to MAYBE and very unlikely have a future as non habituated animals is a priority budget item.
Personally, as much as I love and respect wildlife, I would much rather see a hundred kids get a hot lunch and a visit to a dentist once a year for what the failed attempt at getting these two cubs to be "natural wild" again. It just ain't gonna happen and the statistics of these failed attempts from the past have proven it to be true.

Do you have a link to those statistics ?

[twobits]

the rehab place has set up a private donation online , dont have link on my phone but they are at 15 percent of the goal at just under 7 thousand so it seems they need around 38 thousand . no tax money is being used so that is false

So 38 thousand dollars is the goal to maybe rehab these two cubs to be released back into the wild? Maybe not cuz they are already habituated to humans. It ain't gonna happen.
Maybe....perhaps.....your time would be better spent posting some pictures of two forlorn BC children that could use 38k to see them thru to to graduation and release into the real world where there is a real probability of success.

[twobits]

Do you have a link to those statistics ?

How bout you look them up yourself and then come back and tell me I am making up facts. And I would expect your links to come from credible sources, not PETA or saveourwildlife.com

[monroe]

Pure emotional response.Let's say we make you the king of provincial finances for a period of time. When your plate becomes full of funding requests for all things altruistic like hot lunches paid for disadvantaged kids, shelter for the homeless, basic health care and dentist care, safe injection sites for heroin addicts....yadda yadda.....let's see you make the decision that rehabbing two bear cubs to MAYBE and very unlikely have a future as non habituated animals is a priority budget item.
Personally, as much as I love and respect wildlife, I would much rather see a hundred kids get a hot lunch and a visit to a dentist once a year for what the failed attempt at getting these two cubs to be "natural wild" again. It just ain't gonna happen and the statistics of these failed attempts from the past have proven it to be true. That is why the policies of Conservation have deemed euthanasia as the proper policy to follow.
I have NEVER met a Conservation Officer that does not get a teary eye when they have to put down an animal. Much the same as what a pet owner faces when that time comes.
You would have to be a psychopath to be devoid of understanding of where this particular Conservation Officer was coming from. Thinking humans get it. Unfortunately, he may have made the wrong choice of career if he is not able to to the mandated job required of him that is clearly backed by probabilities of success with rehab. And the alternate uses of those dollars for yet another failed attempt.

"Pure emotional response"? LOL ... Seriously reread your post. Little emotional, aren't we?

Goodness, robbing poor defenceless kids of hot meals? Oh never!

ok, kill the Bears.

I see now, there is absolutely no way to care for orphaned wildlife without cheating disadvantaged humans. My god, I should have thought of the children!

I feel nauseated.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

How bout you look them up yourself and then come back and tell me I am making up facts. And I would expect your links to come from credible sources, not PETA or saveourwildlife.com

So you have no links ? No statistics ?

B.C.’s most experienced rehabilitation specialist for black bears said Wednesday it is crazy for the Ministry of Environment to assert that two eight-week-old cubs on Vancouver Island needed to be killed because they’d become habituated to human food.
“It’s just ridiculous,” said Angelika Langen, co-founder of Northern Lights Wildlife Society in Smithers. “There is absolutely no scientific proof that cubs that follow their mothers for (human) food at this age have learned anything.

“When they’re little like this they’re just following mom; they’re not learning yet. When they’re more than one year old it’s a totally different story.”

Langen said of the more than 300 black bears her facility has released in the past 25 years, not one has run into trouble by rummaging for human garbage. Bears receive ear tags and microchips to identify them after release.

“If one of our bears showed up and caused trouble, we’d be notified but we’ve never had a garbage bear. Not one,” she said. “And we’d hear about it.

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/Bear+rehabber+says+ridiculous+policy+killing+cubs+based+scientific+reality/11195873/story.html

[maryjane48]

some folks just dnt like bears i guess . when i lived in usk bc we had few bears come on to my property to eat apples lol was i nervous ? yea . was i scared ? not at all and most my neighbours had guns never was shot fired

[zookeeper]

When bears enter homes to get to the freezer, you have dropped a few notches in the food chain buddy. And I will also bet that you live in a very safe location that you won't be worried about bears coming to your fridge when you or children might be asleep. Real safe place for you to preach for a bear's rights over and above human life. You really have no clue. A couple of summers in a place like Port Hardy might change your mind when you realize that sometimes even being "bear smart" by keeping pet food inside, as well as garbage, does not mean you or your family is necessarily safe from the potent bear nose.

Interesting post twobits, presumptuous to say the least. First of all you have no idea where I live, nor where I spend my summers, nor do you know where I've been. Secondly, if you honestly believe that a random, occasional animal visit in to a home has dropped us down the food chain already I would like to keep in touch with you over the next few decades, you know, to keep up on your opinions of the times. Its been at least 20 years or more since we sat in the bar one night, conversing amongst us old farmers how we noticed the domestic animals were getting a bit wilder and the wild ones a little "braver" if you will. A lot had changed in that 20 some years, I see it getting worse before, and if, it gets any better.

As for the cubs, the article stated they had not had human contact, they had just come to find their momma. It is for this reason the conservation officer did not feel they should be put down.

In your next post you accuse a poster of making statements based on emotion, yet you carry on with your personal emotional views. I asked earlier why it always has to be about money. Your causes are worthy to be sure, but who are you to decide which cause is more deserving? Hungry children, interesting, because one mother here is dead for what? For trying to feed her children.

[maryjane48]

the fact they are raising money private ,means that is their right to do and if some folks want feed the bungry children on their own then fly at it i myself choose to donate to animal charities

[urbanhermit]

"As for the cubs, the article stated they had not had human contact, they had just come to find their momma. "


they sure have now, haven't they?

[maryjane48]

what would the world be like if when a human commited a crime their kids were exterminated along with the criminal .

[monroe]

"As for the cubs, the article stated they had not had human contact, they had just come to find their momma. "


they sure have now, haven't they?

You pipe down with all that emotion!

Think of yourself as the King of Provincial Finance for one *bleep* minute and youd regard the situation with more logic and fiscal responsibility!

jesus...


... what if the cnsrvtn officer had been directed to spare their lives?? Sweet mary! - the bill could have been staggering!

[monroe]

what would the world be like if when a human commited a crime their kids were exterminated along with the criminal .

Nope. We incarcerate, feed and cloth them.

... and the ones that commit more serious crimes, they sure as *bleep* aren't "euthanized"

[urbanhermit]

we love our criminals, it is the Canadian way. they are guaranteed a full ride, to bad our kids aren't.

[Fancy]

The freezer was INSIDE the home - a fact that a couple of posters have missed.