Poll: Pipeline - Yea or Nay

[Treblehook]

By my calculations, about 130 people responded to this poll and indicated their choice as "Not At All". The other choices were of course, Pipeline, Train or Truck. I sure am curious to know what these people do for transportation... are they Amish and use horses and buggies, ride camels or what? If fuel isn't moved by one of the three provided options, everything comes to a grinding halt... does it not? The fourth option of "Not At All" seems so ludicrous as to have no place in the poll!!!!

[maryjane48]

what are you talking about , if there is no refinery at the end of any pipeline here in canada , there is zero benifit to canadians . it is clear with price of oil dropping and gas going up ,we have more pressing issues other than china refiining our oil and possibly selling it back to us .

[Treblehook]

what are you talking about , if there is no refinery at the end of any pipeline here in canada , there is zero benifit to canadians . it is clear with price of oil dropping and gas going up ,we have more pressing issues other than china refiining our oil and possibly selling it back to us .

Perhaps you could enlighten us and tell us how the oil gets from the well heads to the refineries and apply "None at All" to that; and then do the same with it's transportation from refineries to the various distribution depots across the country. Or maybe you are just referring to pipelines, trains and trucks carrying oil that will be refined outside of Canada... is that it? My question is really about whether these people who said "none at all" ever ride in a car, an airplane, train or bus; or, do the ever purchase or use anything that has been manufactured using petroleum products?

[Smurf]

If they are on here I believe they must use plastics. No more cell phones, Ipads, computers and most of your kitchen utensils.

[maryjane48]

Perhaps you could enlighten us and tell us how the oil gets from the well heads to the refineries and apply "None at All" to that; and then do the same with it's transportation from refineries to the various distribution depots across the country. Or maybe you are just referring to pipelines, trains and trucks carrying oil that will be refined outside of Canada... is that it? My question is really about whether these people who said "none at all" ever ride in a car, an airplane, train or bus; or, do the ever purchase or use anything that has been manufactured using petroleum products?

perhaps you could address what i said instead of ignoring it , canada will accept pipeline to a canadian refinery , but not to sell off like cheap hooker

[maryjane48]

If they are on here I believe they must use plastics. No more cell phones, Ipads, computers and most of your kitchen utensils.

all that can be made from hemp oil and it biodegrades

[Dizzy1]

perhaps you could address what i said instead of ignoring it , canada will accept pipeline to a canadian refinery , but not to sell off like cheap hooker

By "Canada" I'm assuming you are referring to the "No" crowd. Just a FYI, that would be incorrect - they only represent and speak for part of Canada, not "Canada". There are people in this nation how approve of a pipeline and to make a statement saying "Canada" will accept this or that based only on the voice of one group is asinine.

Also, I thought the whole protest was that pipelines are "unsafe" and spills will happens - kinda puts a hole in that argument if you use that as an excuse to say no to a pipeline.

[LoneWolf_53]

perhaps you could address what i said instead of ignoring it , canada will accept pipeline to a canadian refinery , but not to sell off like cheap hooker

By "Canada" I'm assuming you are referring to the "No" crowd. Just a FYI, that would be incorrect - they only represent and speak for part of Canada, not "Canada". There are people in this nation how approve of a pipeline and to make a statement saying "Canada" will accept this or that based only on the voice of one group is asinine.

Wouldn't be the first such statement and you can bet whatever is near and dear to you that it won't be the last.

Also, I thought the whole protest was that pipelines are "unsafe" and spills will happens - kinda puts a hole in that argument if you use that as an excuse to say no to a pipeline.

Yep kinda blows it right outta the water.

[Boda]

Also, I thought the whole protest was that pipelines are "unsafe" and spills will happens - kinda puts a hole in that argument if you use that as an excuse to say no to a pipeline.

I don't agree with that generalization Dizzy.
Part of the protest against pipelines is that pipelines can spill.
Pipe lines can be built to higher construction standards reducing tentative spill damage (at a greater cost).
Pipe line owners can have better/faster clean-up response measures (at a greater cost).
Governments can negotiate these conditions into pipe line construction and operating permits.

To me it's not a Yea or Nay question.
It should be a negotiation between the people of BC and the corporations that want to utilize our land for profit with the measurable risk factor of spill incorporated into the price or mitigated to the peoples satisfaction.
I don't trust the negotiating team the people of BC currently have representing them.

[maryjane48]

By "Canada" I'm assuming you are referring to the "No" crowd. Just a FYI, that would be incorrect - they only represent and speak for part of Canada, not "Canada". There are people in this nation how approve of a pipeline and to make a statement saying "Canada" will accept this or that based only on the voice of one group is asinine.

Also, I thought the whole protest was that pipelines are "unsafe" and spills will happens - kinda puts a hole in that argument if you use that as an excuse to say no to a pipeline.

wrong again , first the spills and unsafe operation and anything else to do with the environment is the main concern, but what i also said is second. do really think most canadians will want to pay higher gas prices just so some companies can rape canada for money? go to any gas station and poll everyone on if they would a want see lower gas prices and jobs created by having refineries on large scale capacity in canada , or b higher gas prices because we want to let big oil molest canada's oil ? post results tomorrow

[Treblehook]

lakevixon... my post was in relation to the poll that appeared on castanet asking people if to choose between four options. Pipeline, truck, train or not at all. The topic wasn't about whether pipelines should be used to transport to Canadian refineries or to overseas refineries!!! My comment was specifically directed at the group who chose the last option, where they didn't want this petroleum transported period. I guess I was being a little bit sarcastic in that I was suggesting that they must not travel or consume any products that are produced using petroleum products in their manufacture or to get them to market and that they must travel by horse like the Amish. Finally, from what I have been reading, the experts hold that moving petroleum products [raw or otherwise] is safer by pipelines than by road or rail. It doesn't matter though does it, because people are going to keep using oil and gas and it has to come from somewhere and it has to be distributed... end of story.

[maple leaf]

The poll is to general.Are they asking about crude oil that has been upgraded from Bitumen or are they talking about Bitumen that has not been upgraded ,but is thinned down with a slurry of chemicals to make it flow.Much of the controversy over the latest pipeline proposals are over the fact that they will be used to ship raw Bitumen,not crude oil.

[twobits]

wrong again , first the spills and unsafe operation and anything else to do with the environment is the main concern, but what i also said is second. do really think most canadians will want to pay higher gas prices just so some companies can rape canada for money? go to any gas station and poll everyone on if they would a want see lower gas prices and jobs created by having refineries on large scale capacity in canada , or b higher gas prices because we want to let big oil molest canada's oil ? post results tomorrow

This is a perfect post in terms of how ignorant you are about global trade, and worldwide commodity markets. You have a completely naive view on reality. Go ahead and poll the people at the gas station. Of course they want cheaper gas and will say so. All that proves is that they have not thought through how things really work and what the consequences would be. Just like you. Ignorance however is not bliss.
You and many more with your comprehension, would have Canada....awash in oil....building refineries to supply the population with 10 cent a liter gasoline just like Venezuela and Iran. Sounds wonderfull eh? After all it is our oil. Never mind it would require state owned refineries operating at a loss.
Problem with this is that about two seconds after Canada attempted to do something like this is that every free market country in the world would slap trade sanctions against Canada on virtually every product we tried to export or import because we were subsidizing costs with cheap energy. And they would be right. And while you could buy gas for 10 cents a litre, inflation would go through the roof cuz everything from Almonds to Zucchini that had to be imported would cost you 20 bucks a pound.
So Vixen, if that is the kind of society you want to live in, please feel free to move to Venezuela, Iran, or even North Korea where they have the same economic theory as you. Don't let the door hit your azz on the airplane taking you to your socialist economic dreamland.

[maryjane48]

lmao thats worst excuse i have read ty for laugh

[twobits]

lmao thats worst excuse i have read ty for laugh

You're laughing is simply a defense mechanism triggered by your brain when it cannot comprehend information supplied.
If you cannot comprehend the simple reality that if Canada where to subsidize cheap gasoline and that there would be immediate trade sanctions as per trade agreements, you are dumber than the post that holds up the Petro Canada sign.
We grow billions of bushels of wheat too and bread could cost ten cents a loaf here. Go ahead and try that one too and see how many countries would slap tariff's on the extra billion bushels of wheat we grow over and above our domestic needs.

My bad though for even trying to argue with someone whose concept of the economy doesn't extend beyond the hunter/gatherer model.