Site C

[looking4one]

Do you have any idea the cost involved for batteries?
What happens to those batteries when they are no longer functioning?
What kind of environmental impact will disposing these old batteries have?
What effect does real cold weather have on the capacity of batteries?
How much solar energy can be obtained through the long winter months of Canada?
What happens when the snow is covering the solar panels?

[hobbyguy]

What seems to get forgotten is that sometime in the next 20 years, electricity demand is going to spike, and spike fast. This Bloomberg analysis makes the interesting point that EV sales are growing at an exponential rate, and that rate is remarkably similar to the sales growth rate in gasoline powered vehicles caused by the model T around 1910. We all know what the model T did to the horse and buggy. http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

To put that in some kind of perspective: a commuter drives a small hatchback to and from work every day, consuming about 4 liters of fuel per day (short commute as you would see in areas like the Okanagan, lower mainland commuters and large city commuters would use much more). The electrical equivalent of that 4 liters of gasoline is about 35 kilowatt hours. However, EVs are much more efficient energy users than internal combustion engines, so lets call it 15 kilowatt hours. There are roughly 160,000 daily commuters in BC that drive more than 25 kilometers. So just for "minimal comfort" commuting, the potential additional demand right there is: 2.4 million kilowatt hours. (Then you have to add for all the other vehicle usage for other uses.).

The impact of such potentials is made greater by the fact that power generation has to meet peak demand. At roughly 5:00 pm every day, 160,000 commuters arrive home and? They plug in their shiny new EV and the turn on the electric stove to make dinner, crank up the air conditioning etc. etc.

It is this kind of future potential that needs to be planned for, and that means that all "backward looking" projections are way out of whack. You can not take today's situation and simply project it forward. EVs are just one "disruptive technology" that is in the pipeline as the world grapples with the need to move away from fossil fuels.

The site C dam is about the most minimally invasive way to plan for the future. (In my opinion, only nuclear is less invasive.) There is no way to meet that future demand (it IS coming) without adding significant generating capacity that is reasonably priced. To try to do so with wind and solar is just silly, the areas of land used and the ecological damage would be much higher.

[The Green Barbarian]

solar with tesla batteries

In any event, this is a ridiculous and naïve statement. Just unbelievable.

[The Green Barbarian]

in the end i would rather make a personal investment in solar for myself - than a socialist one for big business, industry, alberta and whoever else bc governments want to sell off the power to for nothing. the reason so many right wingers love this dam idea is because businesses will benefit through power welfare.

Or option B - everyone, including the poor, who the left seem to always want to punish with high energy prices, will benefit from affordable and clean energy for decades to come, just as everyone has benefited in BC for decades past, thanks to foresight of our forebears. Let's hope that future generations owe us just as big a debt of gratitude as we owe those who came before us. Let's hope that they can say the same thing we say today "Thank goodness the negatives were ignored, and the dam was built."

[sooperphreek]

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[The Green Barbarian]

Great, yet another person. I can't wait for this dam to finally be built, and all of these folks can finally shut up. I cringe at the thought of future generations trying to get anything done with the amount of people out there now with nothing but time on their hands to advance insanely stupid causes all with the same goal - to stop all progress and kill all economic activity. Just horrible.

A tiny tadpole is at the centre of the latest legal fight to stop a massive hydroelectric project in northeastern British Columbia.

An environmental activist with a history of defending amphibians says the provincial government knowingly overstepped its authority when it gave permission in May for BC Hydro to move tadpoles and frogs from a section of the Peace River upstream from the new Site C dam. Water from the area is slated to be removed in order to build dikes.

Josette Wier and Sierra Club BC filed a petition in B.C. Supreme Court on Wednesday, asking for a review into whether the Ministry of Forest, Lands and Natural Resource Operations followed the law when it exempted BC Hydro from prosecution for relocating the amphibians, which include toads and salamanders.

[flamingfingers]

Seems to be the real issue is:

The latest petition says a permit is required for such an exemption but a ministry official deliberately issued illegal authorization to avoid possible delays to the dam's construction schedule.

Apparently 'laws' don't apply to ministry officials!

[Donald G]

Unread postby flamingfingers » 15 minutes ago

Seems to be the real issue is:

You are trying to tie progress up in technicalities rather than focusing on whether or not the Hydro Dam is a good thing for British Columbia.

Typical rhetoric of those few with limited insight into the costs and benefit of the project. Those who concentrate on their hatred of Premier Clarke and the present MAJORITY Liberal Government.

The anti gang is dwindling and becoming completely ineffective due to their propensity to keep spouting false and misleading information.

[sooperphreek]

i smile every time i see a political shoulder slap news report on the site c progress and building followed by a subtle mind fornication of 2 words" - on budget". is there such a thing with a pork barrel infrastructure job? maybe the costs will be so absurd and high at the end (like the bridge in vancouver that had to be tolled) prices for BC hydro users will go up like crazy.

[The Green Barbarian]

maybe the costs will be so absurd and high at the end (like the bridge in vancouver that had to be tolled) prices for BC hydro users will go up like crazy.

why do leftists hate the poor so much they wish nothing but constant pain and suffering for them? SHame shame shame.

[flamingfingers]

^^So DONALD -why should government officials disregard the law in order to expedite Site C? Isn't the 'law' applicable to all? or is there for the few to flout it?

[LoneWolf_53]

I'm betting that if some native were out there, blazing through the area on a quad while hunting, he wouldn't give two hoots about a tadpole or salamander.

[sooperphreek]

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[Donald G]

Unread postby flamingfingers » 4 minutes ago

^^So DONALD -why should government officials disregard the law in order to expedite Site C? Isn't the 'law' applicable to all? or is there for the few to flout it?

Do you know the difference between a law and a regulation ??

Do you know what Ministerial Powers are ??

Please identify what section of which LAW was broken ??

[The Green Barbarian]

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