Site C

Re: Site C

Postby Smurf » Dec 23rd, 2017, 6:38 pm

Cactusflower wrote:
Yet you're okay with the BC taxpayers going into debt to the tune of $10.7 billion (or likely much more) for a big white elephant?

Yes, it is. We may not live long enough to see just how bad that decision was, but our children will.


Yes I am okay with it because we will have assets to cover that and it will be paid off overtime. Yes rates will increase but even BCUC said the alternatives would also raise them at least as much as with site C but no one knows how high. With the alternatives we will own no assets and we will have huge commitments to pay to suppliers even if they are home owners. As they said today California pays a premium and just like our IPP's that is whether we need the power or not. Why would we want more stupid IPP's and zero assets. None of it makes any sense.

Yes our children, my grandchildren and at least one great granddaughter will get to enjoy the stable rates that will hopefully keep us amongst the lowest in North America, not amongst the highest like Ontario with it's wind and solar. The same thing was said about the last hydro dams and look where they have put us. With all the "facts" I have seen and the knowledge of the industry that I have, I am much much more comfortable with site C than any of the current alternatives.
Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have of changing others.

The happiest of people don't necessarily have the best of everything, they just make the most of everything that comes their way.

2 people like this post.
User avatar
Smurf
Guru
 
Posts: 9318
Likes: 15071 posts
Liked in: 5643 posts
Joined: Aug 12th, 2006, 8:55 am
Location: Okanagan BC

Re: Site C

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 23rd, 2017, 7:39 pm

Cactusflower wrote:Yet you're okay with the BC taxpayers going into debt to the tune of $10.7 billion (or likely much more) for a big white elephant?

Yes, it is. We may not live long enough to see just how bad that decision was, but our children will.


Now it is the NDP's decision. That is the cross that they will have to bare for decades to come.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
User avatar
alanjh595
Guru
 
Posts: 6040
Likes: 2212 posts
Liked in: 3347 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: Site C

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 23rd, 2017, 8:27 pm

Smurf wrote:Cactusflower you keep asking so I will tell you about today. We were visiting at a RV park just inside California on the I-8 today and ended up talking to a couple of the office managers. They have a fair bit of solar and are getting ready to install a bunch more. I asked if they really thought it was worthwhile. They said definitely due to the fact they are in one of the sunniest places in the world and the California government pays them huge subsidies to install it and high guaranteed premium rates for the power they produce. They said knowing what they know they probably would not install it without all the government money. In other words the California taxpayers are paying for them to install the solar units, sell the power to the system and make a profit. Sounds like a good deal for the RV park and a terrible deal for the California tax payers. I am certainly glad BC did not fall into that trap.


Cactusflower wrote:Yet you're okay with the BC taxpayers going into debt to the tune of $10.7 billion (or likely much more) for a big white elephant?
Yes, it is. We may not live long enough to see just how bad that decision was, but our children will.


Oh stop it now you're just teasing. [icon_lol2.gif]
"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."
- Robert A. Heinlein
User avatar
Urban Cowboy
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3837
Likes: 3696 posts
Liked in: 5587 posts
Joined: Apr 27th, 2013, 3:47 pm

Re: Site C

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 23rd, 2017, 8:58 pm

Make no mistake: the flooding of the Peace Valley would be a profound violation of the human rights of the First Nations of Treaty 8, as well as local farmers and other landowners.

I guess we will see how it plays out in scoc

http://theprovince.com/opinion/op-ed/ho ... ace-valley
User avatar
maryjane48
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 17124
Likes: 10586 posts
Liked in: 2666 posts
Joined: May 28th, 2010, 7:58 pm

Re: Site C

Postby LordEd » Dec 23rd, 2017, 9:52 pm

The SCOC I believe has ruled previously that the requirement to consult does not constitute a veto power in developing resources.

2 people like this post.
LordEd
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3712
Likes: 2 posts
Liked in: 2214 posts
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2008, 9:22 am

Re: Site C

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 29th, 2017, 10:54 am

http://www.cbc.ca/1.4466869


Site c could lead to forestry downturn
User avatar
maryjane48
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 17124
Likes: 10586 posts
Liked in: 2666 posts
Joined: May 28th, 2010, 7:58 pm

Re: Site C

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 29th, 2017, 11:19 am

Contained in the article posted above:
In an email, BC Hydro spokesperson David Conway confirmed contracts are being renewed at lower rates but said Site C was not the reason.

"BC Hydro has been renewing contracts with independent power producers at prices less than what they were paid under the original contracts, recognizing that those producers have typically recovered most of their capital costs over their original contract terms," he said.


Sounds like good business sense from Hydro's point, since they are in the business of making money and keeping our electrical costs down. Remind me again, which government is currently in power? Oh yeah.......NDP.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

Smurf likes this post.
User avatar
alanjh595
Guru
 
Posts: 6040
Likes: 2212 posts
Liked in: 3347 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: Site C

Postby LordEd » Dec 29th, 2017, 11:19 am

You just complained about them paying 55M to Capital Power Corp for maintaining a biomass station in case peak power is needed... now you're complaining that they're eliminating biomass IPPs?

Smurf likes this post.
LordEd
Lord of the Board
 
Posts: 3712
Likes: 2 posts
Liked in: 2214 posts
Joined: Apr 3rd, 2008, 9:22 am

Re: Site C

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 29th, 2017, 11:22 am

Just like on one hand there are complaints about all the trees that are being cut down to build houses, and on the other hand, complaining that they will reduce the number of tree to turn into electricity by private companies and resold back to taxpayers at a premium price.
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.

Smurf likes this post.
User avatar
alanjh595
Guru
 
Posts: 6040
Likes: 2212 posts
Liked in: 3347 posts
Joined: Oct 20th, 2017, 5:18 pm

Re: Site C

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 29th, 2017, 12:22 pm

maryjane48 wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/1.4466869


Site c could lead to forestry downturn


That's silly. Biomass burning for electricity = stupid. Emits a huge whack of GHGs. Besides, the dimbulbs in Europe will take it all so they can greenwash their emissions.
Dimples - "just not ready"
hobbyguy
Guru
 
Posts: 8564
Likes: 2388 posts
Liked in: 9118 posts
Joined: Jan 20th, 2011, 9:10 pm

Re: Site C

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 29th, 2017, 12:32 pm

Lol. Hobby but if it was bclibs your positions would be opposite. Proven and recorded by my outstanding research into your posts . :130:
User avatar
maryjane48
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 17124
Likes: 10586 posts
Liked in: 2666 posts
Joined: May 28th, 2010, 7:58 pm

Re: Site C

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 29th, 2017, 2:11 pm

*removed*
Last edited by ferri on Dec 29th, 2017, 3:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Off Topic
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill

Who's Dimples? Who's the MP for Kelowna? Both interesting questions that are hard to answer.
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 28243
Likes: 12270 posts
Liked in: 16229 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: Site C

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 29th, 2017, 2:11 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Make no mistake: the flooding of the Peace Valley would be a profound violation of the human rights of the First Nations of Treaty 8, as well as local farmers and other landowners.

I guess we will see how it plays out in scoc

http://theprovince.com/opinion/op-ed/ho ... ace-valley


or, option B. You can admit the good guys won, and that this debate is over.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill

Who's Dimples? Who's the MP for Kelowna? Both interesting questions that are hard to answer.
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 28243
Likes: 12270 posts
Liked in: 16229 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: Site C

Postby The Green Barbarian » Dec 29th, 2017, 2:13 pm

Cactusflower wrote: We may not live long enough to see just how bad that decision was, but our children will.


and hopefully most of us live long enough for our grandchildren to thank us for standing up to brainless anti-economy enviro-lunatic charlatans who opposed Site c. Just as I hope everyone here thanks their grandparents for supporting the original Bennett dam and giving us the gift of cheap electricity. Oh it feels good to pay it forward to our grandkids. So good.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
- Winston Churchill

Who's Dimples? Who's the MP for Kelowna? Both interesting questions that are hard to answer.

alanjh595 likes this post.
User avatar
The Green Barbarian
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 28243
Likes: 12270 posts
Liked in: 16229 posts
Joined: Sep 16th, 2010, 9:13 am

Re: Site C

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 29th, 2017, 2:21 pm

Only thing your paying forward by supoorting sire c is corruption
User avatar
maryjane48
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 17124
Likes: 10586 posts
Liked in: 2666 posts
Joined: May 28th, 2010, 7:58 pm

PreviousNext

Return to B.C.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: CommonCrawl [Bot] and 4 guests