14 OD's in Vancouver in one day

[Graphite]

Simple. Build a wall.

[Veovis]

BAD IDEA, because, civil rights. Also when the govt is given the right to forcibly treat it's citizens without recourse, *bleep* like this happens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_hysteria
also google "Dr Penfield + controversy"
granted, not an addiction. but a comparable course of action to what you're recommending - "lock them up, force them into treatment"

Isn't that also just the fun part of all of it right? Swing the pendulum again and again. When it hits to far one way we ban everything to a point of no reason, then wait till that fails and then swing it the other way and ban everything of the other side.

Certainly people have abused responsibility in the past, and more do so every day on every side of every issue. However a free pass shouldn't be included due to the other swings ideals. So far OD's with or without a safe site don't seem to show empirical results, including a lower fatality rate....therefore unless they start to actually show a purpose and results, the funding should be reevaluated.

If a safe site or no safe site means 2 people actually saved for a few million in costs, those millions could save many many more in other areas of healthcare. Needs of the many vs needs of the media popular.

[Donald G]

I made you read this wrote:
BAD IDEA, because, civil rights. Also when the govt is given the right to forcibly treat it's citizens without recourse, *bleep* like this happens

WADR any society can only put in place systems and standards to address the problems presented using the latest information available. In many ways our evolution has not kept up with the demands placed on us by an ever changing society.

To suggest that we should or should not follow an INTERIM system today because of something that happened a hundred years ago is, IMO, not reasonable. Is that not the same as refusing to study and treat people in hospitals today because of lobotomies performed in the past. Or by going back to horses because too many people are presently killed by automobiles ??

Civil rights is a completely relative thing that means different things to different people. The standards that Canada has had imposed on it was because of the theoretical opinion of politicians and lawyers who put in place a theoretical model of civil rights that unfortunately resulted in a significant imbalance between the police and the courts. Most of it was as a result of trying to adapt theory to reality.

It resulted in severe limitations being placed on the right of the police to investigate crime. Judges and defense lawyers were given significantly more power over the police and the investigations being carried out by the police, including the ability of judges to prohibit evidence of guilt or innocence from being entered into court.

[manmade]

Isn't that also just the fun part of all of it right? Swing the pendulum again and again. When it hits to far one way we ban everything to a point of no reason, then wait till that fails and then swing it the other way and ban everything of the other side.

Certainly people have abused responsibility in the past, and more do so every day on every side of every issue. However a free pass shouldn't be included due to the other swings ideals. So far OD's with or without a safe site don't seem to show empirical results, including a lower fatality rate....therefore unless they start to actually show a purpose and results, the funding should be reevaluated.

If a safe site or no safe site means 2 people actually saved for a few million in costs, those millions could save many many more in other areas of healthcare. Needs of the many vs needs of the media popular.

millions to save 2 people? exaggeration...?
The reason why safe injection sites continue to operate is because they save lives in a fiscally responsible manner. Sick and dead people cost the government more than what SISs take to operate


http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n ... stem-study

despite their conservative approach, the researchers found that one facility in Toronto would incur $33.1 million in direct operating expenses over 20 years, but save $42.7 million in health-care costs because of an anticipated reduction in HIV and hepatitis C infections. This represented a net savings of $9.6 million.

[the truth]

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-st ... htm#174895 --the hits keep on coming 9 od's in 20 min

[Nomaster]

Postby JLives » 15 minutes ago

This person is one of my closest friends now. I'm not going to go into further details on the situation but I wish more people would stand up for their family and make the hard decisions they are not capable of making.

That is my whole point JLives. Let them deal with the REAL reason that they have become addicted in a safe, secure and helpful environment and then slowly let them start to make their own decisions. That is certainly true of the now adults who have been used and abused as children which is a high percentage of the addicts on the street.

Or neglect or a failed relationship/ unfulfilled dreams. Multiple reasons.

These are PEOPLE facing tough lives and they are seeking escape.
They aren't worthless. Someone loves them even though they may not see it at all or can accept that.

[LTD]

http://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-174895-3-.htm#174895 --the hits keep on coming 9 od's in 20 min

ya that's a shame

[Rosemary1]

Drug addiction - a terrible scourge on human beings that doesn't seem to have any end. So many reasons why people become addicted . Many looking to escape from their past and even those more fortunate with everything they need, looking for a thrill (Cocaine and drug use is also amongst the affluent and privileged).

It may never be possible to root out all the causes that turn people to use of drugs and ultimately addiction but if a way could be found to make it unprofitable for the dealers with more serious consequences when caught just maybe it may help. We also need to find better ways to monitor abuse of prescription drugs - often the gateway to illegal drug addiction.

[Donald G]

One thing that drug addicts all have in common, with very few exceptions, is that for a period of time all addicts live a lifestyle consistent with regular drug use of the drug of their choice (including cigarettes and alcohol) before becoming heavily addicted.

[jimmy4321]

I think it's easy to think of addicts who are on the streets , breaking into homes, vehicles, getting crazy around people etc. but before it gets to that point it can be a long road of doing these drugs in their parents home, while going to school, college, influencing friends.

[Shock]

drink coffee every morning? hey, you're addicted!
Here are a few other things people get addicted to

- sugar (if you factor in complications due to obesity and diabetes, this surpases deaths linked to smoking)
- nicotine
- alcohol
- salt
- hoarding

...and here is a list for entertainment purposes - should these people be forced through treatment? Do you really think they would be cured, especially if the underlying causes for addiction are not addressed first?

15 everyday things you didn't know people could be addicted to

[Gixxer]

What about gambling?

[Donald G]

Unread postby Shock » Today, 6:11 pm

drink coffee every morning? hey, you're addicted!
Here are a few other things people get addicted to

- sugar (if you factor in complications due to obesity and diabetes, this surpases deaths linked to smoking)
- nicotine
- alcohol
- salt
- hoarding

IMO people can get addicted to absolutely anything providing there is a reason for the initial ingestion or ritual, a dopamine flow or other pleasant reward for ingesting the substance or performing the ritual and a period of time during which the lifestyle is repeated. The more the ritual is performed the more impacted on your brain and endocrine reward system it becomes.

A large part of a person ridding themselves of the addiction is coming to terms with what initiated the onset of the behavior and, mover time, gaining the will power to continue to refuse to repeat the behavior. Self punishing addictions coupled with substance abuse addictions are very common regarding child abuse experiences.

Addiction with all of its causes and manifestations affects millions of people. The ones that we most often see are those suffered by people laying about the street.

[manmade]

What about gambling?

forced treatment for you, sir!

[Donald G]

Many additions, like Gamblers Anonymous belong to privately self generated organizations and, unlike out of control drug and alcohol addictions, do not as a rule, affect the rest of society as a whole.

I could see a person convicted of committing an armed robbery for the purpose of paying off a gambling debt or sitting in on a future game being "required" to participate in treatment, by force if necessary.