Foreign workers for LNG?
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In June, Canada’s global trade deficit hit a record of its own: $3.6 billion. Said BMO Chief Economist Doug Porter: “The overall story here is the Canadian economy is barely growing … And the drag on the economy is in the export sector, the one area of the economy where I think there were very high hopes. We’re basically still incredibly dependent on consumer spending and housing to keep pulling the economy along.”
Yet despite the drop in jobs and stagnation in exports, the Trudeau government apparently is considering easing restrictions on foreign workers. The Globe and Mail reported this week that “a Liberal-dominated House of Commons committee has completed a report on options for altering the controversial program and will make the recommendations public next month when Parliament resumes … The report is expected to acknowledge the need for temporary foreign workers in specific sectors and will stress the importance of providing foreign workers with options to become permanent Canadian residents.”
The report was completed in June, before the bad July jobs numbers were known. But despite the worsening economic climate, the report’s recommendations remain on the table. On a recent trade trip to China, Immigration Minister John McCallum suggested that the Liberal government would make it easier for Canadian companies to bring in foreign workers. “We’re also going to reduce some of the barriers and the silly rules … in order to give companies freedom to bring in the best and the brightest. We’ll get rid of many of these (required) labour-market impact assessments which slow things down enormously.”
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Yet despite the drop in jobs and stagnation in exports, the Trudeau government apparently is considering easing restrictions on foreign workers. The Globe and Mail reported this week that “a Liberal-dominated House of Commons committee has completed a report on options for altering the controversial program and will make the recommendations public next month when Parliament resumes … The report is expected to acknowledge the need for temporary foreign workers in specific sectors and will stress the importance of providing foreign workers with options to become permanent Canadian residents.”
The report was completed in June, before the bad July jobs numbers were known. But despite the worsening economic climate, the report’s recommendations remain on the table. On a recent trade trip to China, Immigration Minister John McCallum suggested that the Liberal government would make it easier for Canadian companies to bring in foreign workers. “We’re also going to reduce some of the barriers and the silly rules … in order to give companies freedom to bring in the best and the brightest. We’ll get rid of many of these (required) labour-market impact assessments which slow things down enormously.”
https://ipolitics.ca/2016/08/11/now-tru ... r-problem/
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again context. its not trudeaus fault he doesnt kiss big businesses or any business *bleep*. and as such the money they siphoned off of the government under harper in subsidies and tax breaks and consumers of products - are making investment stagnant like mark carney mentioned. the mentality is that they were entitled to the wealth and are entitled to more. no matter what. and if they dont have a government that plays ball and they can manipulate - they clam up and go in their shell. trudeau and the liberals are wise in regards to being "centrists" driving on the left. they will meet harper targets that were lies regarding the environment. they will get pipelines done without stoking or stroking industry greed or business entitlement. they will try to make things happen that will benefit the middle class as much as possible. and they will do so in a climate that says everyone is stupid and isnt skilled enough because they are young or apprenticing or inexperienced because companies are lazy and want the benefits of skilled labor without cultivating and training workers. so they go out of country and get skilled trades or educated people as TFWs. and pay them less.
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Trudeau is looking to flood the country with TFWs, get them voting rights, and hold power with their support. He doesn't care about Canadians getting jobs, only about getting votes from foreigners he has pledged to turn into voters.
The report is expected to acknowledge the need for temporary foreign workers in specific sectors and will stress the importance of providing foreign workers with options to become permanent Canadian residents.”
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the problem is bigger than that. CANADIANS dont care about canadians getting jobs. the one good thing in alberta about the crash is that all the low life middle men that were scamming something for nothing - subbing everything out were forced to either work themselves - or hire the workers themselves. the unfortunate byproduct of that is they wont pay employees what they drove the market to - with their middleman share. so they rely on TFWs. which has become all too common.
the lie is that they will offer jobs to canadians first. what that means is advertising in the internet for the jobs and not hiring anyone because they are all to skilled and expect too much. and then viola! hire TFWs that are too easy to get. trudeau didnt create the tfw environment - buy he isnt so stupid that he will exacerbate it. so ya....its gonna happen whether we like it or not. and if it needs to streamline for investment maybe he has no choice.
the lie is that they will offer jobs to canadians first. what that means is advertising in the internet for the jobs and not hiring anyone because they are all to skilled and expect too much. and then viola! hire TFWs that are too easy to get. trudeau didnt create the tfw environment - buy he isnt so stupid that he will exacerbate it. so ya....its gonna happen whether we like it or not. and if it needs to streamline for investment maybe he has no choice.
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sooperphreek wrote:the problem is bigger than that. CANADIANS dont care about canadians getting jobs. the one good thing in alberta about the crash is that all the low life middle men that were scamming something for nothing - subbing everything out were forced to either work themselves - or hire the workers themselves. the unfortunate byproduct of that is they wont pay employees what they drove the market to - with their middleman share. so they rely on TFWs. which has become all too common.
the lie is that they will offer jobs to canadians first. what that means is advertising in the internet for the jobs and not hiring anyone because they are all to skilled and expect too much. and then viola! hire TFWs that are too easy to get. trudeau didnt create the tfw environment - buy he isnt so stupid that he will exacerbate it. so ya....its gonna happen whether we like it or not. and if it needs to streamline for investment maybe he has no choice.
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Gone_Fishin wrote:Trudeau is looking to flood the country with TFWs, get them voting rights, and hold power with their support. He doesn't care about Canadians getting jobs, only about getting votes from foreigners he has pledged to turn into voters.
I thought you said he was a pretty boy, vapid, narcissist (I'm paraphrasing) who was more interested in selfies than governing? Does he outsource his evil master plans to TFW's?
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JLives wrote:I thought you said he was a pretty boy, vapid, narcissist (I'm paraphrasing) who was more interested in selfies than governing? Does he outsource his evil master plans to TFW's?
I'd say he courts votes from minorities at any cost.
Bigger than all the deprecating attributes you mentioned is Trudeau's ego. That ego is fed by power, power that he wants regardless of the consequences to this country and its citizens.
Trudeau is getting rid of the controls on TFWs. He is eliminating the need for labour market opinions, giving companies the power to order in as many TFWs as they want without going through the review process of seeing if there are qualified Canadians FIRST, a process put in place by Harper to protect Canadians' jobs.
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LNG in BC is not happening in my lifetime. I have moved to Calgary from Kelowna and have close relationships with people in the finance section of Oil and Gas. They knew three years ago that this was never going to happen. No investor would touch it. It was a calculated risk for a company as large as Petronas. Risk/reward. Their expenditure to date is a drop in the bucket of their overall capital expenditure bucket and was a small risk should prices and the political environment stay the same. For a "small" investor like BDO, this was way too risky based on the numbers
Other countries beat BC to market. I voted for Christy Clarke and like most of what she has done but she had to know that BC was too late to the ball game and would never get to play.
Other countries beat BC to market. I voted for Christy Clarke and like most of what she has done but she had to know that BC was too late to the ball game and would never get to play.
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if harper was so interested in protecting canadian jobs why did he let TFWs in canada in the first place? that is utter total garbage.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/petronas-lng-project-1.3785389
Concern about foreign workers and BC's LNG may be all moot. Petrona may be selling it share in the project or at the very least putting it on ice until gas prices improve. Long term forecasts indicate that could be for five to seven years before the project could become profitable. LNG has always been a fantasy for those with any petro based connections. However, for the Liberals it was the salvation to all tax problems in BC. Unfortunately many believed in the fantasy.
The 190 strict conditions of the federal approval also did not sit well with the LNG industry. While not a major determining factor in the Petrona decision to sell or place the project on deep hold, the approval conditions have set a high stanadard for any company desiring to develop LNG in Canada.
Foreign workers in the petro/LNG industry in BC would now seem the least of our worries. Greater concern should be placed on the platforms of the parties as they head into the election. Health costs and reforms, education reforms and costs, transportation, and sustainable energy development should be at the fore front. Each of these has a far greater effect on middle class development, employment, and the rest of the economy than foreign workers in the oil and gas industry.
Concern about foreign workers and BC's LNG may be all moot. Petrona may be selling it share in the project or at the very least putting it on ice until gas prices improve. Long term forecasts indicate that could be for five to seven years before the project could become profitable. LNG has always been a fantasy for those with any petro based connections. However, for the Liberals it was the salvation to all tax problems in BC. Unfortunately many believed in the fantasy.
The 190 strict conditions of the federal approval also did not sit well with the LNG industry. While not a major determining factor in the Petrona decision to sell or place the project on deep hold, the approval conditions have set a high stanadard for any company desiring to develop LNG in Canada.
Foreign workers in the petro/LNG industry in BC would now seem the least of our worries. Greater concern should be placed on the platforms of the parties as they head into the election. Health costs and reforms, education reforms and costs, transportation, and sustainable energy development should be at the fore front. Each of these has a far greater effect on middle class development, employment, and the rest of the economy than foreign workers in the oil and gas industry.
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erinmore3775 wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/petronas-lng-project-1.3785389
Concern about foreign workers and BC's LNG may be all moot. Petrona may be selling it share in the project or at the very least putting it on ice until gas prices improve. Long term forecasts indicate that could be for five to seven years before the project could become profitable. LNG has always been a fantasy for those with any petro based connections. However, for the Liberals it was the salvation to all tax problems in BC. Unfortunately many believed in the fantasy.
The 190 strict conditions of the federal approval also did not sit well with the LNG industry. While not a major determining factor in the Petrona decision to sell or place the project on deep hold, the approval conditions have set a high stanadard for any company desiring to develop LNG in Canada.
Foreign workers in the petro/LNG industry in BC would now seem the least of our worries. Greater concern should be placed on the platforms of the parties as they head into the election. Health costs and reforms, education reforms and costs, transportation, and sustainable energy development should be at the fore front. Each of these has a far greater effect on middle class development, employment, and the rest of the economy than foreign workers in the oil and gas industry.
Yet, Christy still hams it up for the camera a says the Petronas LNG facility is a done deal.“We have signed the agreement,” Clark said. “It is set. It is done and dusted.”
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I really don't know if Christy is actually oblivious to the realities of the current global LNG market, possibly because she is surrounded by really lousy advisers as rustled mentioned above, or she actually does understand what's going on but believes the electorate is oblivious to what's going on in the current global LNG market...
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erinmore3775 wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/petronas-lng-project-1.3785389
Concern about foreign workers and BC's LNG may be all moot. Petrona may be selling it share in the project or at the very least putting it on ice until gas prices improve. Long term forecasts indicate that could be for five to seven years before the project could become profitable. LNG has always been a fantasy for those with any petro based connections. However, for the Liberals it was the salvation to all tax problems in BC. Unfortunately many believed in the fantasy.
The 190 strict conditions of the federal approval also did not sit well with the LNG industry. While not a major determining factor in the Petrona decision to sell or place the project on deep hold, the approval conditions have set a high stanadard for any company desiring to develop LNG in Canada.
Foreign workers in the petro/LNG industry in BC would now seem the least of our worries. Greater concern should be placed on the platforms of the parties as they head into the election. Health costs and reforms, education reforms and costs, transportation, and sustainable energy development should be at the fore front. Each of these has a far greater effect on middle class development, employment, and the rest of the economy than foreign workers in the oil and gas industry.
then it is a stroke of genious from trudeau and the liberals. they said "yes". and made sure that they tried to get er done.
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I really don't know if Christy is actually oblivious to the realities of the current global LNG market, possibly because she is surrounded by really lousy advisers as rustled mentioned above, or she actually does understand what's going on but believes the electorate is oblivious to what's going on in the current global LNG market...
if she is surrounded by people like rustled and other apologists or devils advocates for blind partisanship then id say oblivious.