Grizzlies vs Christy Clark

[maryjane48]

well it starting to look like the majority of bc folks want the grizzly hunt ended since it is only a trophy hunt . will clark listen to the will of the people or do as she always does and ignore us .

familys first unless your a grizzly it seems

[Fancy]

She hasn't "always ignored us" considering the improvements to Westside Road, however, if changes are made to ensure the meat is taken and utilized, would that change anyone's minds?

[maryjane48]

She hasn't "always ignored us" considering the improvements to Westside Road, however, if changes are made to ensure the meat is taken and utilized, would that change anyone's minds?

yes im sure it would but do grizzlys really need to be hunted ?and im sure not everyone lives in kelowna so not sure why you said that

[Fancy]

What does Kelowna have to do with anything? Not sure why you said that.

[Rwede]

Comments from Dr Valerius Geist, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, the most renowned grizzly bear scientist in North America, in response to an eco-babble report on grizzly bears:

To begin with, grizzly bears are missing from 18 percent of the province because they should not be in the
suburbs and towns of greater Vancouver, in the agricultural fields of the Fraser
valley, the vineyards and orchards of the Okanagan or the calving centers of the
ranches in the interior. There are areas dedicated to agriculture and industry,
and grizzly bears do not belong there. Moreover, grizzly bears do not occur on
Vancouver Island, and that's a fair chunk of real estate. Secondly, grizzly
bears are not threatened everywhere, quite the contrary, they have reached
nuisance status in some districts requiring removal of some bears by
conservation officers. Grizzly bears must not be allowed to expand beyond the
availability of natural foods as grizzly bears short of food overcome their
great reluctance to approach humans and in desperation search for food about
human habitations.

Hunger, especially hyperphagia in fall prior to fattening for
hibernation, is an immensely powerful motivator for bears to confront people.
Letting bear populations expand uncontrolled is here the real crime, against
both, bears and people. I however, fully endorse the author's concerns about
diminishing salmon stocks as a traditional food source of grizzly bears. I have
asked why bears do not get an allotment of salmon, even though the post-spawning
salmon are essentially bear food, and wonder what an allotment of salmon would
do to stabilize grizzly bear population. The failure of salmon to appear has led
to decimation of hungry bears entering human settlements. Conflicts with humans
have their causes and such deserve serious, not pop-ecology treatment. The small
take of grizzly bears by legal hunting is not a threat, and halting is it no
contribution to the species survival. Quite the contrary.

snip

A complexity of conservation problems pertaining to bears has been reduced to absurdity. Without
the small, even trivial legal kill of grizzly bears there will be no funds for
monitoring, research and thus the end of public accountability. It will be a
Pyhrric victory for conservation, in fact it will be worse. It will be the end
of any meaningful debate about the fate of grizzly bears in the province because
the reason to monitor and study bears and be accountable will have been removed.
Grizzly bears? Who cares! They are protected. Are they not? Why spent precious
public funds on them? Moreover, an eminently renewable, vigorous natural
resource will have been removed from creating wealth and employment – the
opportunities for viewing grizzly bears in coastal sanctuaries not withstanding.
In national parks land-bound grizzly bears are systematically being eliminated
by persistent photography and visitor curiosity, habituating bears literally to
their death. There are reasons why Lake Louise and Banff are this continent's
number one and two death zones for grizzly bears (and black bears). And now let
me dwell briefly on “habitat”. Grizzly bears, like all large northern mammals,
are not habitat specific. They require space, food, shelter and some human
sympathy for survival, and grizzly bears are no exception. They are not too
particular about the setting either, and are found from alpine valleys to tidal
estuaries, from the Arctic barrens to the mountains of Mexico, etc. Nor do they
need “natural” environments to thrive.

There was a vigorous grizzly bear population thriving on garbage dumps in Yellowstone National Park, and there
were thriving bear populations living off garbage in Banff and Jasper national
parks. Bears have not done well in these parks since the removal of the garbage
as well as the massive killings of garbage conditioned bears, and bears are
fairly rare animals there today and it's an occasion to see one. Since visitor
safety is paramount, park bears that habituate and turn inquisitively on people
are removed in an ongoing fashion. Outside parks there are large areas with
abundant natural foods that are shunned by bears because they are very sensitive
to human encroachment, most of it of a recreational nature, but made possible by
proliferating roads and seismic lines.

All bears are very timid creatures, that go a long ways to avoid humans.
Where they meet humans regularly they draw
absolutely logical conclusions and avoid such where humans carry guns and act
assertively. Conversely, these very sensitive and intelligent creatures quickly
discover that unarmed hikers are scared of them, and begin some self assertion
of their own. It has fatal consequences for bears, especially if people persist
in trying to get close for viewing or photography. Protected areas swarmed over
by hikers are death traps for bears. Unprotected areas covered with access and
swarmed over by people seeking recreation are avoided by bears, no matter how
good the “habitat”. Where bears run out of food due to failure of salmon runs or
berry crops they will seek alternative food sources, and inevitably enter into
conflict with humans for our communities are loaded with bear food. Being “bear
aware” keeps that food away, but leaves the hungry bears searching, with obvious
consequences. Consequently, blanket “solutions” like halting hunting and
“protecting bear habitat” - whatever that means – are simplistic and absurd in
the extreme. And political advocacy, fueled by animal rights philosophy – if one
can call it such – is of no help. We must not ignore how runaway protection of
predators, marine or terrestrial, leads to losses of prey we happen to value, to
losses of livestock, the spread of diseases not to mention to needless hardships
and distress for people that rely on natural resources for a living. Wildlife
conservation, management and utilization has a very long history, pertinent to
our current hopes and aspiration for the future.


http://www.flatheadfacts.com/documents/ ... Edited.pdf

[Glacier]

My mom has lived in the same area for 50 years, and never saw a grizzly until 5 years ago. Now she sees that every year as they have become more numerous. The only reason to ban hunting is if the species cannot sustain a hunt. Clearly the grizzlies can. Every single scientific fact says so. The feel-good emotionally driven latte sucking yuppies in Yaletown might not like it, but so what. They don't want someone in Dease Lake telling them how to run their city, so back off, and let the people on the ground with actual knowledge of the situation have the final say.

[maryjane48]

My mom has lived in the same area for 50 years, and never saw a grizzly until 5 years ago. Now she sees that every year as they have become more numerous. The only reason to ban hunting is if the species cannot sustain a hunt. Clearly the grizzlies can. Every single scientific fact says so. The feel-good emotionally driven latte sucking yuppies in Yaletown might not like it, but so what. They don't want someone in Dease Lake telling them how to run their city, so back off, and let the people on the ground with actual knowledge of the situation have the final say.

trophy hunting should be banned and grizzlies should not be hunted .

[Walking Wounded]

trophy hunting should be banned and grizzlies should not be hunted .

Because you know more than the scientists that study this?

[maryjane48]

well how about we hunt walking woundeds to ? why should we allow trophy hunting ? its got zero to do with what a outsider says and everything to do with the right moral choice .

we hear everyones for site c so lets build it ,and now most people are against the grizz hunt and thats okay to go against the majority ? hypocrasy in its ugliest

[Rwede]

well how about we hunt walking woundeds to ? why should we allow trophy hunting ? its got zero to do with what a outsider says and everything to do with the right moral choice .

we hear everyones for site c so lets build it ,and now most people are against the grizz hunt and thats okay to go against the majority ? hypocrasy in its ugliest

Do you know better than Dr Valerius Geist?

[alfred2]

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[Buckeye19]

Since when was the grizzly hunt a trophy hunt? That is just an emotional, made up term from anti's designed to get people fired up. Grizzly is delicious. Everyone I know who has hunted grizzlies already takes the meat out and eats it - no different than black bears or any ungulate.

There is zero conservation concern when it comes to grizzlies. Why shouldn't they be hunted? What makes them more special than deer, elk, moose etc.?

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[Rwede]

Since when was the grizzly hunt a trophy hunt? That is just an emotional, made up term from anti's designed to get people fired up. Grizzly is delicious. Everyone I know who has hunted grizzlies already takes the meat out and eats it - no different than black bears or any ungulate.

There is zero conservation concern when it comes to grizzlies. Why shouldn't they be hunted? What makes them more special than deer, elk, moose etc.?

Nailed it!

Grizzly hams and sausages are one of my favourite meals. Delicious!

[rustled]

well how about we hunt walking woundeds to ? why should we allow trophy hunting ? its got zero to do with what a outsider says and everything to do with the right moral choice ....

Wow, mj. Your moral choices actually seem quite different from some .

Choosing to make these decisions based on science rather than emotion looks like good management to me, and the right moral choice.

[GordonH]

I thought the Grizzlies moved to Memphis...... just