BCTF claims victory at Supreme Court of Canada

[maryjane48]

http://www.cknw.com/2017/03/04/deal-rea ... f=facebook


yup the libs accepted the 2002 rules haha

[Smurf]

It is too bad it took 14 years in court and an election in the wind to get to this point. These idiots (on both sides) should have sat down a decade ago, settled this and saved the tax payers of BC a fortune. Better yet they would have saved students a ton of headaches. Many students will have spent their entire public school working with the problems caused by this war. Shameful.

[Urbane]

It is too bad it took 14 years in court and an election in the wind to get to this point. These idiots (on both sides) should have sat down a decade ago, settled this and saved the tax payers of BC a fortune. Better yet they would have saved students a ton of headaches. Many students will have spent their entire public school working with the problems caused by this war. Shameful.

Mike de Jong made a bit of an admission when he didn't include a final amount in the budget for this settlement. If he had included a final amount he said that he would have been doing "what got us into trouble in the first place." Maybe some lessons were learned on the union side as well and I have to say that the current leader of the BCTF is a cut above anyone who I've seen in that position for a long time. Let's hope that the war is finally over.

[KGT]

It is too bad it took 14 years in court and an election in the wind to get to this point. These idiots (on both sides) should have sat down a decade ago, settled this and saved the tax payers of BC a fortune. Better yet they would have saved students a ton of headaches. Many students will have spent their entire public school working with the problems caused by this war. Shameful.

My son being one of those kids. His entire K-12 was under the illegally legislated language.

I agree some work can be done on both sides, but it was Clark who insisted on letting it go to court. She alone is to blame, first as Min of Ed, and then as Premier.

[Urbane]

What do you do if it's impossible to create classrooms to adhere to the numbers? You provide the teachers with extra resources. That's an example of flexibility in this agreement and it's clear that both sides bargained in good faith. Great to see.

[flamingfingers]

^^The Liberals under Campbell and also under Clark could have negotiated the same conditions YEARS go but Christy was so intent on having everything HER way and meddling in contract negotiations it took all these years, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of taxpayer dollars to get to the SCoC decision that slapped her down in 15 minutes!!!

Why keep on electing IDIOTS???

[Smurf]

I wonder if someone should look into the government lawyers that kept flogging this dead horse while making unknown bundles of cash. They are either extremely stupid or extremely greedy or both.

[maryjane48]

now that deal has been reached it is now time to punish clark for ruining so many kids eduacation over a *bleep* contest

[Urbane]

now that deal has been reached it is now time to punish clark for ruining so many kids eduacation over a *bleep* contest

I'm just happy at this point that the government and the BCTF have reached an agreement. It would seem that the spirit of the original wording is part of the agreement along with some flexibility. More details to come but when I read that extra resources will be provided to teachers in cases where extra classes can't be created I say, "Hallelujah!"

[alfred2]

WAke up ndp lovers, they started it all by bending over and giving in to the union.

[maryjane48]

threads not about ndp . seems clark lovers cant read

[alfred2]

threads not about ndp . seems clark lovers cant read

you can not read, this all started with ndp bending over

[George+]

"It looks like a return to the way things were before everything was unconstitutionally stripped in 2002," says Campbell River District Teachers' Association Dave Harper. "It's a return to what I would consider the good old days of having known, solid, predictable baseline staffing levels for every school. It's a return to having proper levels of teacher librarians, learning assistance teachers, ESL teachers, counsellors in middle and secondary schools, class-size limits – it's good all around."

BUT.....where to put all the students/classes? Already schools are talking about shifts.

The govt has totally bungled building schools, also, and now will have to reopen some.

What a MESS!

[Urbane]

"It looks like a return to the way things were before everything was unconstitutionally stripped in 2002," says Campbell River District Teachers' Association Dave Harper. "It's a return to what I would consider the good old days of having known, solid, predictable baseline staffing levels for every school. It's a return to having proper levels of teacher librarians, learning assistance teachers, ESL teachers, counsellors in middle and secondary schools, class-size limits – it's good all around."

BUT.....where to put all the students/classes? Already schools are talking about shifts.

The govt has totally bungled building schools, also, and now will have to reopen some.

What a MESS!

I've read that the two sides agreed that where adding another classroom isn't feasible the teacher will be given extra resources. That might be a temporary measure until another classroom can be created or perhaps longer term if necessary. That's the kind of flexibility that will help segue into next year and beyond. Now, if what you're posting is true and the flexibility isn't there, necessitating shifts, then we can blame both sides for that. Let's hope that what I've read is true and that what you're posting this evening is wrong.

But Bernier and Hansman both noted the new agreement offers some flexibility to districts that may have trouble adjusting. - See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/t ... l3VsP.dpuf

[rustled]

"It looks like a return to the way things were before everything was unconstitutionally stripped in 2002," says Campbell River District Teachers' Association Dave Harper. "It's a return to what I would consider the good old days of having known, solid, predictable baseline staffing levels for every school. It's a return to having proper levels of teacher librarians, learning assistance teachers, ESL teachers, counsellors in middle and secondary schools, class-size limits – it's good all around."

BUT.....where to put all the students/classes? Already schools are talking about shifts.

The govt has totally bungled building schools, also, and now will have to reopen some.

What a MESS!

I've read that the two sides agreed that where adding another classroom isn't feasible the teacher will be given extra resources. That might be a temporary measure until another classroom can be created or perhaps longer term if necessary. That's the kind of flexibility that will help segue into next year and beyond. Now, if what you're posting is true and the flexibility isn't there, necessitating shifts, then we can blame both sides for that. Let's hope that what I've read is true and that what you're posting this evening is wrong.

But Bernier and Hansman both noted the new agreement offers some flexibility to districts that may have trouble adjusting. - See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/news/b-c/t ... l3VsP.dpuf

I had the impression George+ was talking about next year, when the classes are smaller.

A decade ago this would have meant more classrooms were needed in most schools, but with today's declining enrollment it's unlikely to be much of a problem. Some elementary schools may have to end their contracts for alternate uses of their classrooms, but it seems doubtful we'll have a real shortage of classrooms (other than in the few districts where the student population is actually growing).