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Re: Pipelines

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 3rd, 2018, 1:27 pm

Cactusflower wrote:
Oh, my bad........I thought you meant he handled the hecklers all by himself.


If you watch the video, he actually asked the crowd if the two nutbars should be ejected and they responded with an over-whelming yes. These brainless losers have no respect for process or their fellow Canadians, and what they don't get is that they don't have the support of Canadians, especially when all they do is disrupt and yell. I've seen it in your posts, you honestly believe that you have a majority behind you, just like you did on Site C. It's just not true. This is a fallacy that you've convinced yourself of. The truth is, most Canadians want to see the environment protected, but understand that there is a balance. That balance means also that you wait your turn to speak, not just act like a massive ass-clown when given a platform.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 3rd, 2018, 1:50 pm

The Green Barbarian wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:
Oh, my bad........I thought you meant he handled the hecklers all by himself.


If you watch the video, he actually asked the crowd if the two nutbars should be ejected and they responded with an over-whelming yes. These brainless losers have no respect for process or their fellow Canadians, and what they don't get is that they don't have the support of Canadians, especially when all they do is disrupt and yell. I've seen it in your posts, you honestly believe that you have a majority behind you, just like you did on Site C. It's just not true. This is a fallacy that you've convinced yourself of. The truth is, most Canadians want to see the environment protected, but understand that there is a balance. That balance means also that you wait your turn to speak, not just act like a massive ass-clown when given a platform.


:up:

Very well articulated, and it does in fact represent the true "majority" of Canadians.

As for the environuts it's clear that "majority" is simply another example of a word, they need to learn the definition of, just as "subsidy" is.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 3rd, 2018, 2:08 pm

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Re: Pipelines

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Re: Pipelines

Postby christopher » Feb 3rd, 2018, 2:54 pm

Cactusflower wrote:

That's not going to happen. Refineries, especially bitumen refineries, cost a lot of money to build and Big Oil is not about to spend it if they can get their toxic sludge to tidewater and shipped that way.

CNRL has just finished a new one in Alberta
http://business.financialpost.com/commo ... ts-ceo-sad

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Re: Pipelines

Postby George+ » Feb 3rd, 2018, 4:35 pm

Keep it there!
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Re: Pipelines

Postby dle » Feb 10th, 2018, 6:19 am

I read and re-read this letter to Castanet this morning, authored by Jerrilynn DeCock:

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#218217

I knew ZERO about pipelines before I read it and while I still know next to nothing about the matter, reading this article opened my eyes to the extent that some very good points of common sense were stated.

Because of my ignorance of the workings of pipelines, I really couldn't offer an opinion one way or the other on whether the line should be allowed or not. I do know I would never want to see our beautiful coastline waterways injured, or our natural land scourged. However, I knew I didn't like this trade war between BC and Alberta over the pipeline. I don't think it is being handled from the proper perspectives. Being the two most westerly Provinces, we are sometimes forgotten in the national scheme of things. We have to stick together and have each other's backs so we owe it to each other not to make decisions based on emotion alone. We need facts to act.

I now believe the pipeline should go ahead, provided the safeguards meet at least what Ms. DeCock has suggested for protection of our lands and waters. I think, from other articles I've read from people also educated in such matters, it is very close to being able to be done in a viable and safe way, at least the safest way possible maybe with a few tweaks here and there (remembering that there are never any guarantees for ANYTHING). I think if cooler heads from both Provinces were to hold immediate meetings with a view to moving forward, a solution would be found and everyone involved will come out a winner.

Important to note here: When it comes to the governing of BC I have been finding the Greens, with Mr. Weaver at the helm, don't really seem to listen to any point of view but their own in a very single-minded, tunnel-visioned fashion - almost like they stick their fingers in their ears. I don't think it really does their cause much good - at least in my eyes. I'm definitely for protecting our environment, but with facts, not stubbornness. I knew nothing of the Greens really either until this last election so I've been keeping an interested eye on things to see what they are really all about.

My take is this: Mr. Horgan wanted his NDP in. They decided to get into cahoots with the Greens in order for that to happen. I think there is a chance that Mr. Weaver is using that to influence Mr. Horgan's decision to unilaterally squash the pipeline. If that is the case, I believe that type of calculated political maneuver does nothing to actually explore what's best for both provinces and to actually examine all the possibilities and is NOT in the best interest of any of us.

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Re: Pipelines

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Re: Pipelines

Postby George+ » Feb 10th, 2018, 8:56 am

The Financial Post is just another right wing rag.

Shall we build our economy on polluting the environment?

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Re: Pipelines

Postby rustled » Feb 10th, 2018, 8:57 am

j watson wrote:This is an interesting read, imho.

http://business.financialpost.com/opini ... s-the-plan

Wow.
Wake up, Canada. This is not another political game show about the powers and rights of different levels of government. Nor is it about ritual inter-party rivalries among Liberals, New Democrats and Conservatives. The Trans Mountain constitutional meltdown is the product of an aggressive radical campaign by green extremists to rip up the Canadian economy.

Thanks for posting.

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Re: Pipelines

Postby Urban Cowboy » Feb 10th, 2018, 11:20 am

George+ wrote:The Financial Post is just another right wing rag.

Shall we build our economy on polluting the environment?


It would be nice to build it upon truth, and actual facts, rather than green conspiracy kool-aid the left dunderheads drink.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 10th, 2018, 11:36 am

Perhaps since this pipeline is of national concern and affects all Canadians and is under federal jurisdiction, we should take a vote? A vote of ALL Canadians.

It is after all "Crown Land".
Crown Land. Crown land is the term used to describe land owned by the federal or provincial governments. Authority for control of these public lands rests with the Crown, hence their name. Less than 11% of Canada's land is in private hands; 41% is federal crown land and 48% is provincial crown land.

And even the portion of the waters that surround this land that extend 200 miles off the shores belongs to the Crown and even the fisheries are governed by the CANADIAN government.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby The Green Barbarian » Feb 10th, 2018, 12:01 pm

George+ wrote:The Financial Post is just another right wing rag.

Shall we build our economy on polluting the environment?


Except that we aren't polluting the environment. We are being told that we are "polluting the environment" by a tiny minority of really evil and disgusting people. And it's time to finally kick this scum to the curb. That was a great article!

It seems to be working. Through more than a decade of gross disinformation, quasi-illegal activity and backroom political campaigns funded by Americans, the manipulative green tail of Canadian politics is now wagging the Canadian economic dog.

Wake up to the fact that tiny minorities of fringe activists now populate key power bases in Ottawa and the provinces. Most party politicians, from the prime minister to premiers to energy and environment ministers, have become puppets of green activists.

Driven by their quaisi-religious belief in the wrath of climate change, the green machine had its road to power paved by funders, mostly from the United States, whose sole objective was to destroy Alberta’s oilsands. From that starting point they have expanded their power and funding base.
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Re: Pipelines

Postby madmudder » Feb 10th, 2018, 12:20 pm

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Re: Pipelines

Postby alanjh595 » Feb 10th, 2018, 1:13 pm

Of pipelines and politics
Stephen Fuhr - Feb 10, 2018 / 11:00 am | Story: 218613

Canada's Constitution gives jurisdiction over interprovincial trade, including interprovincial pipelines, to the federal Parliament.

It is under this authority that the Trans Mountain Expansion Project was approved in 2016 at the federal level of government, followed by approval by the B.C. government in January 2017.

Whether B.C. Premier John Horgan will try to impose new barriers on the Trans Mountain Pipeline remains to be seen.

Until that time, efforts are being undertaken to quell an escalating trade war between B.C. and Alberta to reverse the damage that is already being done to the BC wine industry.

This past week, I have been in contact with the Canadian Vintners’ Association, the British Columbia Wine Institute and the Mark Anthony Group to discuss the economic impact of a B.C. wine ban in Alberta.

I also took the opportunity to raise this issue in both Pacific and National Cause to ensure my colleagues clearly understood what was at stake.

I would like to assure stakeholders that the Prime Minster is working with both provinces to diffuse the confrontation and move towards a resolution.

Our wine industry counts on the consumers of Alberta for $160 million in retail wine sales, the second largest market outside of B.C., and there is absolutely no fairness or gain in using the industry as a scapegoat.

When it comes to pipelines, most British Columbians and Canadians are legitimately concerned about the energy sector’s environmental impact on our coastal waters.

But many constituents in Kelowna-Lake Country have expressed the necessity of a balanced approach in determining whether pipelines should go ahead, recognizing that the natural resource sector remains an important source for jobs and the revenues that support local and regional economies.

As a result of our government’s commitment to balancing the environment with the economy, we now have in place an Oceans Protection Plan to safeguard our coasts and ensure the health of our marine environment, including protecting the Southern Resident Killer Whale population.

We have placed a formal tanker moratorium along British Columbia’s north coast, and the Canadian Coast Guard now has more people, more authority, and more equipment to do its vital and necessary work.

This past week, our government brought forward new legislation that would put in place better rules for environmental and regulatory reviews in Canada.

With these better rules, Indigenous peoples, companies, investors, and all Canadians can be confident that good projects will be built in a way that protects our environment while creating jobs and growing our economy.

The decision we took on the Trans Mountain expansion pipeline was based on facts and evidence and what is in the national interest of Canadians, and we stand by this decision.

In a free and open society, the threat of protectionism is a zero sum game, especially when people’s livelihoods hang in the balance.

Calmer heads must prevail, in all aspects of this discussion, for the good of the people of B.C. and for the good of the nation.


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