High poverty with no plan

[fluffy]

I am complaining because I believe humans have reached a point where communication, machines and computers have reached a point where it is time to start sharing some of the profits, not tax the crap out of regular people to support other regular people while some live like kings.

That brings us back to the ever-growing chasm of income equality. I believe this will be the source of the next "revolution" so to speak, as money is a finite resource and a big part of the reason that those at the bottom of the scale have so little is because those at the top have so much.

[Queen K]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/15/news/ec ... index.html

This for example. At this point the game of Monopoly would be folded in our days.

[The Green Barbarian]

That brings us back to the ever-growing chasm of income equality. I believe this will be the source of the next "revolution" so to speak, as money is a finite resource and a big part of the reason that those at the bottom of the scale have so little is because those at the top have so much.

I would agree with you that this is the case in third world and developing countries, but not in a large part of the USA, Australia, Europe, Canada, and the Scandinavia countries. A lot of people with less money than others are there because they are content with the government hand-outs they are given, and are incentivized to stay there as they get so much for free, and would have to work so hard to get those same things once they reach an income level where they don't get those things for free. I agree that it is a double-edged sword, and there are no easy answers. There also aren't any black and white answers either, and just pointing at "those who have so much" as the problem, is just taking an extremely easy way out.

[The Green Barbarian]

Have a look at any of the Scandinavian countries held high as examples of "successful socialism" in the progressiveness and wide coverage of their social programs. .

I would argue that these countries aren't "successful" at all. Once the long-term affects of this extreme socialism are shown, it will be demonstrated that as usual, socialism being applied was a giant massive terrible failure. Norway has lost almost all of their heavy industry. Half the population is now on some form of government teat-sucking. No one there wants to work anymore. And why would they? They make more money just sitting at home with their thumbs up their butts. It always bugs me when people call Scandinavian countries "successful" as they aren't successful at all, or at least, all they've succeeded in doing is turning their population into giant spoiled leaches.

[The Green Barbarian]

Kudos to you for mentioning Norway and for your post lasting two minutes so far . . ..

LOL - kudos to you for mentioning a country I think is on the road to massive failure, and allowing me to rant about it.

[The Green Barbarian]

My negativity stems from the fact I have only seen abusers..

I haven't just seen abusers, but I was exposed to them via my parents, who taught a lot of career welfare types. There are far more of them out there then the Leftists and bleeding hearts want to admit. My mom in particular, who is pretty conservative, would always tell stories about how the most confusing day for a lot of the kids in her class was career day. These were kids who were third generation welfare recipients. They couldn't believe that people actually worked for a living, and also couldn't understand why. The government gives you money to sit at home! Why would you go out and work?? It was a foreign concept to them. Meanwhile, a bleeding heart would look at their situation and moan about how they are in poverty and how it must be the system, not their lazy layabout parents, that is to blame. And that's what has to change.

[fluffy]

I would agree with you that this is the case in third world and developing countries, but not in a large part of the USA, Australia, Europe, Canada, and the Scandinavia countries. A lot of people with less money than others are there because they are content with the government hand-outs they are given, and are incentivized to stay there as they get so much for free, and would have to work so hard to get those same things once they reach an income level where they don't get those things for free.

But the discontent in North America goes beyond those on the public dole, it is those who have made the jump off the dole to the point you describe, where they have to work so hard to get ahead, or even stay afloat. How do you think a goof like Trump got elected if not for pandering to the lower middle class types who are barely breaking even?

[maryjane48]

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[maryjane48]

green could you remilind us all of your comments on the tearful woman in poverty making 50 grand a year ? i believe you called her a poor woman .lol so if by your standard makin g 50 grand a year is poverty then theres lots bc folks making that that are not on welfare but still poor as you put it

[Queen K]

I dont' think GB was referring to "poor" in the monetary sense but rather a soft, sentimental sense. Something we're unaccustomed to from him.

[Queen K]

My negativity stems from the fact I have only seen abusers..

I haven't just seen abusers, but I was exposed to them via my parents, who taught a lot of career welfare types. There are far more of them out there then the Leftists and bleeding hearts want to admit. My mom in particular, who is pretty conservative, would always tell stories about how the most confusing day for a lot of the kids in her class was career day. These were kids who were third generation welfare recipients. They couldn't believe that people actually worked for a living, and also couldn't understand why. The government gives you money to sit at home! Why would you go out and work?? It was a foreign concept to them. Meanwhile, a bleeding heart would look at their situation and moan about how they are in poverty and how it must be the system, not their lazy layabout parents, that is to blame. And that's what has to change.

And it isn't their fault. They weren't born into a World they asked for. These childern need strong role models and will inside of them to see what's around them and make a decision to break free from the chains of poverty. They needed good guidance and positive actions in their favour. From all of those around them. I personally know people whom have been on welfare and their childern, some children make it out and some do not. Some sink and some swim. Some make it.

The most successful man I know came from a single parent family, not welfare, but poor. Early on he made a decision. But he had great role models and access to university that wasn't crushingly expensive.

I just hope no one blames the children for their parents.

Otherwise why not go into parents who are functioning alcoholic/rage-oholics, who work but spread a different sort of dysfunction to their children. Don't blame the children for the parents - ever.

[fluffy]

Just to put this in perspective, the median individual income in Canada is just shy of $28K/year, while the "Low Income Cut Off" line (also called the poverty line) is right around $24K/year for an individual. An annual income of $97K or higher puts you in the top 10% of earners nationally. The top 1% earns $227K or more, with the average within that group sitting at $467K/year.

Now if you want to put those numbers in perspective:

• The top 10% of Canadians accounted for almost half (47.9%) of all wealth
in 2012, the top 1% accounting for 10% of all income in Canada.
• In 2012, the bottom 30% of Canadians accounted for less than 1% of all
wealth; the bottom 50% combined controlled less than 6%.

[Sparki55]

the median individual income in Canada is just shy of $28K/year, while the "Low Income Cut Off" line (also called the poverty line) is right around $24K/year for an individual. An annual income of $97K or higher puts you in the top 10% of earners nationally. The top 1% earns $227K or more, with the average within that group sitting at $467K/year.

It's disgusting when you look at it that way. I'm not sure where Fluffy gathered the numbers but from my own research I know they are accurate enough. Canada needs to shift back to having a proper middle class who have some savings, not debt.

Outlined in other posts above are mentions in which people choose not to work as they receive more money by simply collecting a government check and therefore have no motivation to do more. I believe a system where everyone received the same amount in a handout regardless of how much they earned would provide a larger incentive to do SOME work. With this system, any work completed would not result in a loss of benefits but simply provide a boost to your income.

[The Green Barbarian]

How do you think a goof like Trump got elected if not for pandering to the lower middle class types who are barely breaking even?

because a goof like Obama ignored them and a bigger goof like Hillary called them all "deplorables"?

[The Green Barbarian]

green could you remilind us all of your comments on the tearful woman in poverty making 50 grand a year ?

Sure. I thought it was awful that the idiots in the Ontario government had mismanaged energy costs so much that her bill was $1,000 a month. It's insane, and easily avoidable, if you don't go "all in" on foolish leftist "Green" energy scams.

i believe you called her a poor woman .lol

Glad you find a woman's suffering so hilarious.

so if by your standard makin g 50 grand a year is poverty

No, by my standard a woman being forced to spend $1,000 a month to heat her house is ridiculous, and the brainless leftist government that caused such high prices to exist should be voted out immediately.