Cut off, stranded on highway

[daveandanne]

I respect all of the reasons for mostly the truck transportation business and how commerce must be first and foremost but we noticed that it was stalemated just like everyone else. no matter how we approach this it still must be cured for all of us using the highways. The solution is right in front of our eyes and that is under severe weather conditions we hold the trucks in a lineup and when the vehicles are proceeding in a proper manner we let them go in stages, with escort if needed with perhaps a sand truck ahead to skip drop sand on the bad slippery sections and relay them through. and alternate the trucks and cars accordingly one lane convoy at a time both ways. one lane through and return same idea back the other way. a solution is needed and we do not need to blame anyone for this weather disruption pattern. Lets at least try that the next time and see how it works.

[bob vernon]

Best idea yet. By just letting traffic all go up randomly, when the inevitable blockage occurs, all lanes are filled with stopped vehicles. And if it's snowing, the snow just piles up and it becomes impossible to clear the road to get everybody moving again. By mandating single lane, no passing, convoys through the bad areas in bad weather, a lane can be kept open and cleared for emergency vehicles. A small inconvenience for those bad weather days.

[Glacier]

Best idea yet. By just letting traffic all go up randomly, when the inevitable blockage occurs, all lanes are filled with stopped vehicles. And if it's snowing, the snow just piles up and it becomes impossible to clear the road to get everybody moving again. By mandating single lane, no passing, convoys through the bad areas in bad weather, a lane can be kept open and cleared for emergency vehicles. A small inconvenience for those bad weather days.

Only problem with that. I was in Seattle on December 28th when a massive storm hit the Coq. I could have taken I90, and then 97 up Washington and the Okanagan, and totally avoided the snow, but I actually like driving in massive snow storms, so I decided to take the Coq. 2km past Hope, and all the semis were spinning out on in the slow lane. They had to stop, and put on chains. The only way to keep going was to get into the fast lane.

[dirtybiker]

Keeping rigs all in one lane won't work; Keeping a rig hauling diapers and toilet paper
behind a Super-train loaded with lumber makes no sense.
The lightly loaded rig can hold momentum and be Kilometers gone before the super-train
clears the first grade.

I suggest closing the Coq to passenger vehicles and let the commercial vehicles go about their business.

In my experience it is usually a four wheeler doing something stupid in front of
a rig that causes loss of momentum and a possible spin out situation, chained or not .

ETA: Roads originated for the movement of goods and supplies !

Movement of people is just a side show act !

[GordonH]

Keeping rigs all in one lane won't work; Keeping a rig hauling diapers and toilet paper
behind a Super-train loaded with lumber makes no sense.
The lightly loaded rig can hold momentum and be Kilometers gone before the super-train
clears the first grade.

I suggest closing the Coq to passenger vehicles and let the commercial vehicles go about their business.

In my experience it is usually a four wheeler doing something stupid in front of
a rig that causes loss of momentum and a possible spin out situation, chained or not .

ETA: Roads originated for the movement of goods and supplies !

Movement of people is just a side show act !

Passenger vehicles could be rerouted, those heading to Merritt, Kamloops and points east take #1 (Merritt turn onto #8 at Spences Bridge). Adds little over an 1 hour to the drive.... same heading to Kamloops.

Those heading Okanagan just have them turn onto #3, this with also add a little over hour to the drive (they have the option of #5 at Princeton).

The thing is once at Hope there are options, travellers just need to be aware of them ahead of time.

[60-YEARS-in-Ktown]

What about that guy on here that said M&S are fine on the Coq in March...
I think its all his fault...

[GordonH]

What about that guy on here that said M&S are fine on the Coq in March...
I think its all his fault...

Car & light duty pickup M&S tires are crap in winter conditions on mountain passes.

[pentona]

Car & light duty pickup M&S tires are crap in winter conditions on mountain passes.

I fully agree. Why, then, did the B.C. Govt water down the regs and not insist that at least the snowflake symbol or chains be required? Plus they raised the speed limit at the same time. Dumb moves in my opinion.

[LTD]

Keeping rigs all in one lane won't work; Keeping a rig hauling diapers and toilet paper
behind a Super-train loaded with lumber makes no sense.
The lightly loaded rig can hold momentum and be Kilometers gone before the super-train
clears the first grade.

I suggest closing the Coq to passenger vehicles and let the commercial vehicles go about their business.

In my experience it is usually a four wheeler doing something stupid in front of
a rig that causes loss of momentum and a possible spin out situation, chained or not .

ETA: Roads originated for the movement of goods and supplies !

Movement of people is just a side show act !

its usually the lack of smarts or pure laziness of a truck driver that causes problems in the winter I see them buried in the snowbanks from driving way to fast and spun out on hills because there to stupid or to lazy to chain up. I realize not all drivers are bad but I have to question the training required to drive a truck when the cvse guy has to stop trucks at a chain up area and make them chain up in a snowstorm.

[dirtybiker]

[quote="LTD"][/quote]

If you have such disdain towards all these individuals driving these trucks,
might I suggest you stop purchasing the products that they deliver for
your consumption.
Why would you willingly spend your money keeping them in a position of employ
when you have such a low regard for their existence ?

[Smurf]

Dirtybiker are you trying to tell me that you drive the roads regularly and have never seen truck drivers that don't put on their chains or do stupid things? Many are just as bad as regular drivers and due to their size cause much more havoc. In fact on the news last night there was a truck driver with over 25 years experience that confirmed that. He said it was sad that these guys were out there driving dangerously with something as dangerous as a big rig.

I'm certainly not saying all truck drivers are bad but I see bad ones almost every time I take a long trip. They are not all perfect for sure. I also believe I am seeing it more and more lately as if they are not being properly trained or something.

How do you truly feel?

[Smurf]

Dirtybiker do you think maybe you are ranting at all the people who have no real need to be there at times like this if so I agree with you 100%. All the idiots that could just as easy stay home or take another route but insist on joining the mess and ultimately can add to the problems for everyone, especially those that have to travel. Just stay home and do something else or stay where you are for an extra day as I have done more than once. I luckily have never been in a position where it was necessary to risk mine or my families life to get somewhere. I have to admit I have traveled some extremely poor and dangerous roads to get to work but always felt reasonably in control and am always fully prepared for the worst.

[mexi cali]

If you have such disdain towards all these individuals driving these trucks,
might I suggest you stop purchasing the products that they deliver for
your consumption.
Why would you willingly spend your money keeping them in a position of employ
when you have such a low regard for their existence ?

Spoken like a true "I am that "guy" guy? Just because you have a class 1 doesn't take the stupid out of the equation. Unless you're trying to say that truckers are infallible and never make mistakes? Cuz they do and it happens every day and we all, those of us who have driven the mountain passes in the winter, see it all the time.

Don't automatically think that the term "professional driver" applies to all of them.

[dirtybiker]

I happen to know a very large amount of what I would consider
Elite drivers.
I too see incompetence and those not even willing to learn their craft.

No different than attitudes when someone gets licenced for anything,
right away they think they actually know something instead of treating it
as their starting point.
And then fail to grasp the realities of what their new found opportunity actually
entails.

A good amount of the lack-luster performers got into the Industry as
a job rather than a lifestyle.
Many more end up in the Industry as it is likely the easiest way to gain
entrance into our Country.
Many come from Countries that have little or no snow. That is a tough learning curve
compared to those that grew up here.

Easy money>>>>>>>>>Hahahahahaha ! Yup, jes sit on back drinkin' coffee and
yakking on the radio, nuthin' to it !!! Cash them cheques ..

Mentorship by Senior Veteran Drivers has dropped as a good number of the
"next" generation are too full of themselves to shut up long enough to listen.
and
language barriers.

Company Training Programs look good on paper but, the reality is, it costs time
and money to train someone who quite likely is not going to pan out anyways.

Yes, I see issues.

I will stand by what I've posted earlier though, Passenger vehicles in many cases are
the root cause to many semi involved incidents.

It only takes one, and those brush strokes can get pretty wide.

If I come off as angry when people post anti-truck stuff it is because
I am passionate about my chosen career, I care.

I have the best job in the world !

For me .

[dirtybiker]

Dirtybiker do you think maybe you are ranting at all the people who have no real need to be there at times like this if so I agree with you 100%. All the idiots that could just as easy stay home or take another route but insist on joining the mess and ultimately can add to the problems for everyone, especially those that have to travel. Just stay home and do something else or stay where you are for an extra day as I have done more than once. I luckily have never been in a position where it was necessary to risk mine or my families life to get somewhere. I have to admit I have traveled some extremely poor and dangerous roads to get to work but always felt reasonably in control and am always fully prepared for the worst.

Agreed, thanks for wording it a little more readership friendly than I have.

Must go drive mountain passes now, very heavy, wide and long, best eveyrone stay home !