Begbie and beyond

[A_Britishcolumbian]

when are we going to see real action on these accounts of atrocities?
strip the perpetrators of their ill gotten gains.
names! publish names of all those involved in these barbaric acts of deception and murder.

“It seems horrible to hang 5 men at once,” wrote Begbie, then a judge for the colonial B.C. supreme court, in his trial notes. “Yet the blood of 21 whites calls for retribution.”

However, when five Tsilhqot’in chiefs approached the white camp to offer peace negotiations, they were instead manacled, charged, convicted and hanged.

“We meant war, not murder,” goes the famous defence by Lhatsas?in, one of the condemned chiefs. The quote is now enshrined in a monument built near the site of the hangings.

A sixth chief was later hanged in New Westminster, after he approached colonial authorities with gifts and seeking absolution for his role in the massacre.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... picks=true

[gman313]

when are we going to see real action on these accounts of atrocities?
strip the perpetrators of their ill gotten gains.
names! publish names of all those involved in these barbaric acts of deception and murder.

“It seems horrible to hang 5 men at once,” wrote Begbie, then a judge for the colonial B.C. supreme court, in his trial notes. “Yet the blood of 21 whites calls for retribution.”

However, when five Tsilhqot’in chiefs approached the white camp to offer peace negotiations, they were instead manacled, charged, convicted and hanged.

“We meant war, not murder,” goes the famous defence by Lhatsas?in, one of the condemned chiefs. The quote is now enshrined in a monument built near the site of the hangings.

A sixth chief was later hanged in New Westminster, after he approached colonial authorities with gifts and seeking absolution for his role in the massacre.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... picks=true

begbie is long gone - not sure what you mean by action on a dead guy

[Glacier]

It's kinda stupid to judge people of the past with today's standards. May as well start removing Thomas Jefferson from history too because the guy owned slaves.

By all accounts Bigbie was a good man and a fair judge, which is why he has become immortalized.

His status of removal has everything to do with the so called "Chilcotin War." Basically, Waddington's work crew was attacked at night while they slept in their tents, and Bigbie had those responsible hanged. In retrospect, we could argue that they were building a road into First Nation territory without permission, but to expect Bigbie to make that judgement 150 years ago is ridiculous.

[techrtr]

All of the parties involved are long gone. Let it go.

[Deean]

I think I figured this one out! Its not about history or the fact that they killed 21 workers and the judge hung 5. Its more about First Nations and pipeline expansions!

[What_the]

All of the parties involved are long gone. Let it go.

That's the hardest thing to do.
Especially not for the descended who've had their lives tainted.

[techrtr]

All of the parties involved are long gone. Let it go.

That's the hardest thing to do.
Especially not for the descended who've had their lives tainted.

Everyone one has tragedy in their past. Life is tragic and full of injustices. I'm sick of modern politicians being forced to apologize for something that happened long before they were even alive.

[A_Britishcolumbian]

*removed*

[techrtr]

You're calling me a "dirty and murderous" kind? I think you have issues, my friend (and your credibility just disappeared like a &art in a windstorm).

[A_Britishcolumbian]

*removed*

[Carrs Landing Viking]

This thread is highly inappropriate.

[WalterWhite]

This thread is highly inappropriate.

As with anything on these forums - consider the source.

[A_Britishcolumbian]

This thread is highly inappropriate.

but honouring the various deceitful murderers for 150 years, and beyond, is appropriate?

and to continue to let the ill gotten gains be enjoyed by the evil murderers families during the same period, and into the future it would seem, is appropriate?

and to continue to uphold lies and dishonour agreements, again over the same years and assumedly into the future, is appropriate?

not all the victims were murdered you should know. the survivors exist, and whether 'canadians' will honour them or not, they/we have rights.

justice IS coming. best to be clued into your genealogy rather than be surprised the day she arrives.

[Retrosnap]

This thread is highly inappropriate.

but honouring the various deceitful murderers for 150 years, and beyond, is appropriate?

and to continue to let the ill gotten gains be enjoyed by the evil murderers families during the same period, and into the future it would seem, is appropriate?

and to continue to uphold lies and dishonour agreements, again over the same years and assumedly into the future, is appropriate?

not all the victims were murdered you should know. the survivors exist, and whether 'canadians' will honour them or not, they/we have rights.

justice IS coming. best to be clued into your genealogy rather than be surprised the day she arrives.

And what does "justice" look like?

And what does "genealogy" look like? Must I have an indigenous bloodline? Must I be a member of a nation? What if I am married to someone with a bloodline who chooses to live as a "canadian" ?

[What_the]

Everyone one has tragedy in their past. Life is tragic and full of injustices. I'm sick of modern politicians being forced to apologize for something that happened long before they were even alive.

Well, if you're sick of healing others, perhaps it's time to abdicate your place in society as we are all part of a community.
If one thinks deeply for a minute our two, the past has a profound affect on the future. More importantly how that effect has on those that come after us.