British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 8th, 2018, 6:12 pm

flamingfingers wrote:The hospitals are already overwhelmed - and by a lot of chronic care patients (not necessarily 'oldsters') who could be transferred back home given a health care plan by doctors and nurses and carried out by Home Care workers!!


Yup, diabetes at epidemic levels etc. etc. Just think about how much more efficient and effective hospitals would be if we can get the chronic care patients into settings where they are better cared for at lower cost. Might be group homes. Might be larger institutions. Might be home care.

Plus there are a ton of little wrinkles that can extend the real value of physicians in a team care approach. 9 out 8 visits for monitoring my chronic eye condition risk are now handled by my optometrist, instead of the ophthalmologist = where there is a shortage. Cheaper, more convenient, and every bit as good care. Lots of those kinds of things = like why waste a doctor's time renewing blood pressure meds for stabilized patients? Why not the pharmacist does a blood pressure test, and if it falls in the doctor's specified range - just renew the meds?

All of system rigidities result in a higher cost than necessary, and chew up personnel time (doctors etc.) that is in short supply. Get those out, and wait times for elective surgery should come down, as the hospitals and doctors can focus on what they do best.

Anything we can do to improve home care is a top priority, and should be a political priority too as 91% of boomers (a big voting block) have indicated that they want to stay in their own homes as long as possible.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Queen K » Mar 8th, 2018, 6:52 pm

hobbyguy wrote:
Yup, diabetes at epidemic levels etc. etc. Just think about how much more efficient and effective hospitals would be if we can get the chronic care patients into settings where they are better cared for at lower cost. Might be group homes. Might be larger institutions. Might be home care.

Plus there are a ton of little wrinkles that can extend the real value of physicians in a team care approach. 9 out 8 visits for monitoring my chronic eye condition risk are now handled by my optometrist, instead of the ophthalmologist = where there is a shortage. Cheaper, more convenient, and every bit as good care. Lots of those kinds of things = like why waste a doctor's time renewing blood pressure meds for stabilized patients? Why not the pharmacist does a blood pressure test, and if it falls in the doctor's specified range - just renew the meds?

All of system rigidities result in a higher cost than necessary, and chew up personnel time (doctors etc.) that is in short supply. Get those out, and wait times for elective surgery should come down, as the hospitals and doctors can focus on what they do best.

Anything we can do to improve home care is a top priority, and should be a political priority too as 91% of boomers (a big voting block) have indicated that they want to stay in their own homes as long as possible.


Bingo. But the way to GET the people into programs is to make the program affordable in any which way possible. And spend money making it an attractive option to enter into (Sorry Gone_Fishin, I'm in your wallet right now, picking out the dimes to save the system big monies in the future :D )


The way I understand it RNs are acting in a more physican type role.
And us care aids do work in the home setting that is in not done by facility workers on the floors. The nurses do the meds.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Mar 8th, 2018, 6:59 pm

hobbyguy wrote:
flamingfingers wrote:The hospitals are already overwhelmed - and by a lot of chronic care patients (not necessarily 'oldsters') who could be transferred back home given a health care plan by doctors and nurses and carried out by Home Care workers!!


Yup, diabetes at epidemic levels etc. etc. Just think about how much more efficient and effective hospitals would be if we can get the chronic care patients into settings where they are better cared for at lower cost. Might be group homes. Might be larger institutions. Might be home care.

Plus there are a ton of little wrinkles that can extend the real value of physicians in a team care approach. 9 out 8 visits for monitoring my chronic eye condition risk are now handled by my optometrist, instead of the ophthalmologist = where there is a shortage. Cheaper, more convenient, and every bit as good care. Lots of those kinds of things = like why waste a doctor's time renewing blood pressure meds for stabilized patients? Why not the pharmacist does a blood pressure test, and if it falls in the doctor's specified range - just renew the meds?

All of system rigidities result in a higher cost than necessary, and chew up personnel time (doctors etc.) that is in short supply. Get those out, and wait times for elective surgery should come down, as the hospitals and doctors can focus on what they do best.


Anything we can do to improve home care is a top priority, and should be a political priority too as 91% of boomers (a big voting block) have indicated that they want to stay in their own homes as long as possible.


You nailed it. :up:

I have several meds I have to take, blood pressure being one of them, acid reflux meds another, and metformin as I'm borderline diabetic, yet I have to sit in the doctors office to get prescription renewals, when the meds have been the same for several years, plus the doctor monitors me through regular blood tests anyway, so if something is wrong, either I'd know and go in to see him, or his office can call me in.
It strikes me as wasteful of monetary resources, as MSP gets billed for every doctors visit, plus it wastes my time and costs me money.
All the doctor ever does is check my blood pressure, and the other meds he simply renews, so from my perspective, the pharmacist is just as capable of doing that, and it's less of a financial strain on the system overall, plus the doctor can see someone who really needs to be seen.

Also I hate going to doctors offices and hospitals if I don't need to, since that's where all the sick people are.

Definitely ways to make the system more efficient for sure.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby flamingfingers » Mar 8th, 2018, 7:11 pm

Have you ever asked your doctor if these tests are really necessary if you have been stabilized on your meds? I have several health issues and challenged my doctor to rationalize blood work q. 3 months when 2 years of blood work has shown no change. I use my only pharmacist unmercifully to educate me on any interactions that may occur with my many meds. I am now approaching my 3rd year of only seeing my doctor ONCE a year.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Queen K » Mar 8th, 2018, 7:15 pm

And I'm waiting five months for a specialist while my hearing diminishes.

Healthcare is in crisis. :up:
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Mar 8th, 2018, 7:22 pm

flamingfingers wrote:Have you ever asked your doctor if these tests are really necessary if you have been stabilized on your meds? I have several health issues and challenged my doctor to rationalize blood work q. 3 months when 2 years of blood work has shown no change. I use my only pharmacist unmercifully to educate me on any interactions that may occur with my many meds. I am now approaching my 3rd year of only seeing my doctor ONCE a year.


I have and was told I need to be monitored every three months. I'm also on meds that compromise my immune system, so it's possible that's why the monitoring, but still they can call me in, if the blood work identifies a concern.

I mean it is the digital age and all they have to do is send me a text or email.

As it stands, I feel the system is getting billed four times a year, simply for me to get prescriptions refilled, which takes him all of two minutes. I'm guessing MSP gets billed for more than that though.

It certainly doesn't strike me as efficient use of limited resources.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Mar 8th, 2018, 7:23 pm

Queen K wrote:And I'm waiting five months for a specialist while my hearing diminishes.

Healthcare is in crisis. :up:


Good luck.

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby flamingfingers » Mar 8th, 2018, 7:30 pm

Your nearest hearing aid center will test your hearing and tell you how badly you need their hearing aids.. at a cost of over $4K.You can't hear anyone talking if it's wndy; you cringe when your brush your hair around our ears,,,,
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Gone_Fishin » Mar 8th, 2018, 9:46 pm

Old Techie wrote:
You nailed it. :up:

I have several meds I have to take, blood pressure being one of them, acid reflux meds another, and metformin as I'm borderline diabetic, yet I have to sit in the doctors office to get prescription renewals, when the meds have been the same for several years, plus the doctor monitors me through regular blood tests anyway, so if something is wrong, either I'd know and go in to see him, or his office can call me in.
It strikes me as wasteful of monetary resources, as MSP gets billed for every doctors visit, plus it wastes my time and costs me money.
All the doctor ever does is check my blood pressure, and the other meds he simply renews, so from my perspective, the pharmacist is just as capable of doing that, and it's less of a financial strain on the system overall, plus the doctor can see someone who really needs to be seen.

Also I hate going to doctors offices and hospitals if I don't need to, since that's where all the sick people are.

Definitely ways to make the system more efficient for sure.



When Andrew Wilkinson spoke here in Kelowna, he had several suggestions that are similar to yours: prescription renewals by email, nurses doing more of the routine duties like taking blood pressure, NPs covering off home or non-critical visits for preliminary or routine assessments, etc. All these would be more convenient and efficient for the healthcare system and for patients, reducing costs and freeing doctors up to handle more patients and reduce waiting times. The NDP's solution - raise taxes and throw more money down the toilet.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 9th, 2018, 12:01 am

Gone_Fishin wrote:
Old Techie wrote:
You nailed it. :up:

I have several meds I have to take, blood pressure being one of them, acid reflux meds another, and metformin as I'm borderline diabetic, yet I have to sit in the doctors office to get prescription renewals, when the meds have been the same for several years, plus the doctor monitors me through regular blood tests anyway, so if something is wrong, either I'd know and go in to see him, or his office can call me in.
It strikes me as wasteful of monetary resources, as MSP gets billed for every doctors visit, plus it wastes my time and costs me money.
All the doctor ever does is check my blood pressure, and the other meds he simply renews, so from my perspective, the pharmacist is just as capable of doing that, and it's less of a financial strain on the system overall, plus the doctor can see someone who really needs to be seen.

Also I hate going to doctors offices and hospitals if I don't need to, since that's where all the sick people are.

Definitely ways to make the system more efficient for sure.



When Andrew Wilkinson spoke here in Kelowna, he had several suggestions that are similar to yours: prescription renewals by email, nurses doing more of the routine duties like taking blood pressure, NPs covering off home or non-critical visits for preliminary or routine assessments, etc. All these would be more convenient and efficient for the healthcare system and for patients, reducing costs and freeing doctors up to handle more patients and reduce waiting times. The NDP's solution - raise taxes and throw more money down the toilet.


Wilkinson gets it - he was a physician before becoming a lawyer....
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Mar 9th, 2018, 7:38 am

hobbyguy wrote:
Wilkinson gets it - he was a physician before becoming a lawyer....


He has too much education, and never commits to anything clearly if he keeps changing jobs. This is what an NDP'er told me.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Mar 9th, 2018, 1:03 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/alberta-b-c-pipeline-feud-jagmeet-singh-1.4569512

Jagmeet Singh, leader of the federal NDP, says he doesn't see it as a fight between two provinces, but instead points the finger at the federal government.

"The frame of saying it's a concern between two provinces is not the right frame," Singh said.

"This is the responsibility of the federal government — this is why we have a federal government in the first place, to make decisions on these type of matters."

OK Jagmeet, YOU tell the snollygoster George Heyman and the foot shuffling John Horgan to "butt out!"

And no, Jagmeet, you can't play both sides of the fence and try to stick Heyman's unpatriotic stupidity on the Liberals or the Conservatives. The pipeline decision was carefully made, and it's done. But I guess you too have a problem with toxic LEAPers in your party - perhaps you should boot them so that the working folks of Canada can be supported by your party - or have you abandoned the working people in favor of the toxic LEAPers as the schizophrenic BC NDP have done?

Ask yourselves NDPers - are you a party of the working people, or are you LEAPers? IF you are LEAPers, then be honest about it, and change the name of your party as you go down in flames.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urbane » Mar 9th, 2018, 1:16 pm

    The Green Barbarian wrote:
    hobbyguy wrote:
    Wilkinson gets it - he was a physician before becoming a lawyer....


    He has too much education, and never commits to anything clearly if he keeps changing jobs. This is what an NDP'er told me.

Yes, and Christy Clark didn't have enough education. That was a big reason not to vote for her. Wilkinson has too much education and that's a big reason not to vote for him. NDP logic . . . a diagram of it looks like a pretzel.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Mar 9th, 2018, 3:49 pm

Urbane wrote:Yes, and Christy Clark didn't have enough education. That was a big reason not to vote for her. Wilkinson has too much education and that's a big reason not to vote for him. NDP logic . . . a diagram of it looks like a pretzel.


I'd say an accurate diagram should look more like a vacuum, since there's little up there in them craniums. :biggrin:

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Mar 9th, 2018, 11:23 pm

Oh for goodness sakes now I look at the headlines and apparently our NDP are "Bullish" on BC wine, and investing 150K to promote it in province.

Brilliant move after costing the industry well over that on a daily basis, thanks to idiotic political position.

I'm sure the wine industry will be thrilled and forget all about what happened.
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