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British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Queen K » Nov 7th, 2017, 11:29 am

Even I can't wrap my head around it, okay?

And MJ, you and GB are at odds over Site C, but you both hold mutually exclusive truths. One truth doesn't always cancel the other in other words.

WE are in a complicated World.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Old Techie » Nov 7th, 2017, 11:34 am

hobbyguy wrote:SO, the NDP thieves can't manage their finances, let alone the province's!

SO the useless petty criminals in the NDP are set to steal taxpayer $$$ 1.987,765 to pay off their debts!!! The grinning liar Horgan! What a corrupt criminal! The NDP are so useless that they can't manage their own finances, so the NDP "solution" is to STEAL from taxpayers!!!

Entirely unacceptable.


Naturally! There's only so much money they can steal from union members.

By contrast the public trough presents them all kinds of possibilities.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby maryjane48 » Nov 7th, 2017, 11:37 am

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Merry » Nov 7th, 2017, 12:30 pm

hobbyguy wrote:the NDP are set to steal taxpayer $$$ 1.987,765 to pay off their debts!!!


I agree with hg that raiding the public purse to pay off Party debts is entirely unacceptable. It is also hypocritical, given the fact that the NDP claimed to be opposed to public campaign financing prior to their taking over the reigns of power.

I'm not as "anti NDP" as many of the other posters on here appear to be, but I AM upset about this particular flip flop. Robbing us to pay their debt is just plain WRONG.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Old Techie » Nov 7th, 2017, 12:32 pm

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Leifer » Nov 7th, 2017, 1:23 pm

I agree with hg that raiding the public purse to pay off Party debts is entirely unacceptable

Everyone (no matter what party they prefer) should be solidly against this new scheme from the NDP.
Libs, Cons, Greens, and even NDP supporters should get together and voice their opposition. :130:

Hell....even Flaming Fingers was up in arms when this was first announced. :135:
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Queen K » Nov 7th, 2017, 1:28 pm

Merry wrote:
hobbyguy wrote:the NDP are set to steal taxpayer $$$ 1.987,765 to pay off their debts!!!


I agree with hg that raiding the public purse to pay off Party debts is entirely unacceptable. It is also hypocritical, given the fact that the NDP claimed to be opposed to public campaign financing prior to their taking over the reigns of power.

I'm not as "anti NDP" as many of the other posters on here appear to be, but I AM upset about this particular flip flop. Robbing us to pay [b]their debt is just plain WRONG.
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Oh yes, and it is. I'm so disappointed, too much for words right now.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urbane » Nov 10th, 2017, 11:05 am

One of the big promises of the NDP was to have a referendum to change our voting system. The NDP and Greens want PR but here's an interesting voice of dissent from within the NDP:

As a longtime opponent of proportional representation — I led No BC STV, the group that defeated the single transferable vote electoral system in referenda in 2005 and 2009 — I know proponents of proportional representation hate to discuss how those electoral systems opens the door to parliaments for extremists.

But with recent outbreaks of far-right actions here in B.C. — including white supremacist flyers at the University of Victoria as well as racist “white pride” posters seen this week in Burnaby and a Chilliwack school trustee attacking the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity program that supports lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer students — there should be no doubt that this province has a substantial number of potential far-right voters.
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/10/H ... Far-Right/

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 10th, 2017, 11:18 am

Verum wrote:Are you trying to make sure that the BC Liberals never get a vote again?!?
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actually it would ensure neither party got a vote. And the Green Party would get negative votes.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 10th, 2017, 11:19 am

maryjane48 wrote: the disgrace is thinking site c is anything but a racist monument


I got this far, and the massive shame I was already feeling for you stopped me from going any further.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 10th, 2017, 11:20 am

hobbyguy wrote:
SO, the NDP thieves can't manage their finances, let alone the province's!

SO the useless petty criminals in the NDP are set to steal taxpayer $$$ 1.987,765 to pay off their debts!!! The grinning liar Horgan! What a corrupt criminal! The NDP are so useless that they can't manage their own finances, so the NDP "solution" is to STEAL from taxpayers!!!

Entirely unacceptable.


The corrupt and morally bankrupt NDP are a stain on the human race.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby rustled » Nov 10th, 2017, 11:27 am

Urbane wrote:One of the big promises of the NDP was to have a referendum to change our voting system. The NDP and Greens want PR but here's an interesting voice of dissent from within the NDP:

As a longtime opponent of proportional representation — I led No BC STV, the group that defeated the single transferable vote electoral system in referenda in 2005 and 2009 — I know proponents of proportional representation hate to discuss how those electoral systems opens the door to parliaments for extremists.

But with recent outbreaks of far-right actions here in B.C. — including white supremacist flyers at the University of Victoria as well as racist “white pride” posters seen this week in Burnaby and a Chilliwack school trustee attacking the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity program that supports lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer students — there should be no doubt that this province has a substantial number of potential far-right voters.
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/11/10/H ... Far-Right/
Interesting indeed, Urbane. New Zealand is a cautionary tale:

“Nearly three weeks after New Zealand’s general election, the country is waiting for an anonymous, unelected board of individuals belonging to a minor party to make a decision on who forms the next government,” reporter Eleanor Ainge Roy wrote.

Kudos to the Tyee for recognizing the problem with PR.

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 10th, 2017, 2:39 pm

rustled wrote:Kudos to the Tyee for recognizing the problem with PR.


one of the many problems.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 10th, 2017, 2:44 pm

Urbane wrote:
As a longtime opponent of proportional representation — I led No BC STV, the group that defeated the single transferable vote electoral system in referenda in 2005 and 2009 — I know proponents of proportional representation hate to discuss how those electoral systems opens the door to parliaments for extremists.


This is an excellent point. Proponents of the flawed and disgusting PR don't want to talk about how PR can give rise to horrible leftist extremist nutbags having a disproportionate share of power.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Gone_Fishin » Nov 10th, 2017, 2:46 pm

hobbyguy wrote:https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-ndp-details-financial-challenges-amid-may-election/article36857917/

"The BC NDP, currently pushing legislation through the House to provide public financing of political parties, went into the last provincial election weighed down by debt going back to the 2009 campaign."

SNIP

"Getting big money out of politics was a key promise of the NDP in the election last May, but debate on the bill has been contentious because of the unexpected feature of public funding that will cost B.C. taxpayers millions of dollars annually – a measure that had been previously rejected by the NDP."

SNIP

"The New Democrats were having trouble raising funds for two by-elections held in 2016, much less preparing a war chest for the coming 2017 election. Operating costs were being paid out of reserves."

SNIP

"At the start of this year, the central party owed more than $880,000 to its riding associations, built up over three election cycles.

In her report, Ms. Hockin said "a lot of work" went into seeking forgiveness of those loans, but "despite our best efforts, the internal debt remained an impediment."

Last February, the NDP's provincial council approved an election budget of $11.4-million, which included approval for a $1.8-million loan. However, with internal debt still on the books, the central party was able to borrow less than half of that amount."


SO, the NDP thieves can't manage their finances, let alone the province's!

SO the useless petty criminals in the NDP are set to steal taxpayer $$$ 1.987,765 to pay off their debts!!! The grinning liar Horgan! What a corrupt criminal! The NDP are so useless that they can't manage their own finances, so the NDP "solution" is to STEAL from taxpayers!!!

Entirely unacceptable.



The NDP is so broke that CUPE had to co-sign their loans for them. The banks weren't willing to risk lending them any money, and for good reason. The NDP can't manage their own money, let alone that of taxpayers. Now they want to steal our money to pay back their loan sharks. They are junkies, stealing for their next fix, and stealing to pay off their dealers.


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