British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:26 pm

The libs never anounced full repeal of msp premiums and infact no changes to how the rich paid premiums . The bclibs had 40 grand and above paying same. It should have been based of taxes .more you make more you pay
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urbane » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:32 pm

    maryjane48 wrote:The libs never anounced full repeal of msp premiums and infact no changes to how the rich paid premiums . The bclibs had 40 grand and above paying same. It should have been based of taxes .more you make more you pay

How should the lost revenue be made up? The NDP has no idea and has formed a committee to come up with an answer so in the meantime you can let us know what your answer is.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:40 pm

Urbane wrote:
    maryjane48 wrote:The libs never anounced full repeal of msp premiums and infact no changes to how the rich paid premiums . The bclibs had 40 grand and above paying same. It should have been based of taxes .more you make more you pay

How should the lost revenue be made up? The NDP has no idea and has formed a committee to come up with an answer so in the meantime you can let us know what your answer is.


No doubt it has something to do with a magic wand. :biggrin:
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:43 pm

Pot tax
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby mikest2 » Dec 27th, 2017, 4:49 pm

Old Techie wrote:
No doubt it has something to do with a magic wand. :biggrin:


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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 28th, 2017, 12:10 am

maryjane48 wrote:Pot tax


The pot tax will not bring in the roughly $1.3 billion required. Nice "pipe" dream, but not near enough. Colorado gets about $200 million per year in pot taxes, and has about the same population as BC. But here, the feds will get a cut, and I believe municipalities are after a cut too...

So now what? Do what the Manitoba NDP did and transfer it to higher income tax rates that will hit the middle and lower income folks harder than the MSP premiums ever did???

IF you actually look at the revised system the Liberals put in place, it is MORE progressive than the income tax system will ever be.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 28th, 2017, 12:26 am

If you call.corruption progresive [icon_lol2.gif]

Msp under the bclibs,didnt go to medical services .you dont even know how it worked :smt045
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 28th, 2017, 11:34 am

hobbyguy wrote:
maryjane48 wrote:Pot tax


The pot tax will not bring in the roughly $1.3 billion required. Nice "pipe" dream, but not near enough. Colorado gets about $200 million per year in pot taxes, and has about the same population as BC. But here, the feds will get a cut, and I believe municipalities are after a cut too...

So now what? Do what the Manitoba NDP did and transfer it to higher income tax rates that will hit the middle and lower income folks harder than the MSP premiums ever did???

IF you actually look at the revised system the Liberals put in place, it is MORE progressive than the income tax system will ever be.


Maybe the government can divert some of that 'windfall' the BCLP thought they'd get from approving the KM/TM expansion. :biggrin:
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 28th, 2017, 1:41 pm

maryjane48 wrote:If you call.corruption progresive [icon_lol2.gif]

Msp under the bclibs,didnt go to medical services .you dont even know how it worked :smt045


You are entirely incorrect.

A) the corruption accusation has no merit
B) do you even know how much is spent on healthcare in BC? It far exceeds the revenues from MSP
C) Bother to do some math.

IF you do bother to do some math, you will find that the total taxation, MSP + income tax, in BC is far more progressive than what the NDP set up in Manitoba. The ONLY province that comes close is Ontario, but Ontario is awash in deficits and financing charges - don't think anyone wants to go there.

The BC NDP are stuck. They promised something that makes no sense whatsoever. Yes, it appeals to those who don't or can't do math, but it makes no sense.

By the way, IF the NDP scrap the MSP altogether, then it will be a windfall for me personally. But I don't need tax relief.

The NDP would absolutely have to raise income tax rates, probably to similar to Manitoba. BC's bottom rate (up to around 40K adjusted income) is 5.06%, Manitoba has a bottom rate of 10.8%.

Assume a single mom scraping by on $20 K adjusted income. Right now she pays 20,000 x 5.06% = $1,012. That's it, no MSP premiums. Just $1,012 total. The same single mom in Manitoba would pay 20,000 x 10.8% = $2,160 total.

So the MSP system is actually less than half as costly for that single mom than what the NDP set up in Manitoba.

Why? It boils down to total tax revenue.

In my case, because I have cash and don't work, I paid $1,800 this year, and will pay $900 next year. IF the MSP is scrapped, I will pay $0.

Around 40-50% of MSP premiums are paid by corporations. Roughly $1.2 billion in 2017. Next year, because the NDP screeamed and whined about MSP premiums, the corporations will get a tax break of about $600 million. IF the NDP scrap MSP premiums, then those corporations will get a further $600 million tax break. Who knew the NDP were all about tax breaks for corporations?? And the BC Libs were "back door" taxing corporations that much??

At any rate, if MSP premiums are to be tacked onto income tax, then the NDP will have to find $1.2 billion extra in total to cover the lost corporate tax income. That's about $500 per working person in BC.

That's where it gets sticky. Because there are lots of people in BC, like myself, who don't need a tax break by dropping the MSP, but will get it. At a guess, that's about another $200 million that has to be found. So now we are up to about $580 per working person that has to be added to income tax.

Plus remember, you also now have to add in what working people were paying before you cut and drop MSP premiums. That's about another $1 billion. So we are up to about $1,000 per working person.

That $1000 is roughly equivalent to what the single mom in BC was saving in total taxation versus the Manitoba model of straight income tax. So even if you jiggle it around with higher rates at the top, etc., that single mom is going to wind up paying more. Probably $400-500 more at minimum, and I will pay less. That's just wrong!

Why is it important to watch out for me paying less? Because seniors like me should pay our share: https://globalnews.ca/news/3863696/seniors-health-care-costs-bc/

I didn't move to BC, but i can pretty much guarantee that seniors who are moving to BC are overwhelmingly the wealthier ones, who like me, won't show much income, but don't need a tax break.

By the way, the Fraser Health Authority alone spends ALL of the MSP premium income the government gets. So your silly nonsense about where MSP premiums is just that, silly nonsense. http://www.bcauditor.com/online/pubs/775/782
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 28th, 2017, 2:09 pm

BC NDP should be disbanded.

The B.C. NDP were the sleaziest, dirtiest, scummiest opponents I'd ever encountered.

The Glen Clark NDP turned out to be the most corrupt provincial government in modern Canadian history. They stole from charities (Google "Bingogate"). They were linked to bribes (Google "Hydro-gate"). And, of course, there was the deck that killed off an NDP Premier
Police knocked on the door of a modest home on Anzio Drive in Vancouver's east side. At home was Dale Clark, a teacher, and her two young children. Three officers from the RCMP's local commercial crime unit delivered a search warrant. They were looking for evidence relating to the granting of a charity casino license.

Also on hand -- a reporter and a cameraman from BCTV.

An hour into the raid, NDP premier Glen Clark returned to the family home, slipping into the house through the back door to avoid the camera out front. But the television station news crew had another camera in a van in the alley behind the premier's house, which caught the indelible image -- shot through a window of the family home -- of the premier pacing and looking perplexed.

A neighbour, Dimitrios Pilarinos, was being investigated for running an illegal gambling operation known as The Lumbermen's Social Club at the North Burnaby Inn, a strip club favoured by members of the Hells Angels biker gang. Steve Ng, the inn's owner, was a business partner with Pilarinos in an effort to get a casino licence.

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The B.C. NDP, however. They come up with a succession of bad leaders, and a litany of dumb policies, and they blow elections in 2005 and 2009.

He has been incoherent, policy-wise. He has no self-control, and he has no understanding of even basic economics -- and how to keep the strongest economy in Canada strong. He would be an unmitigated disaster for British Columbia.

That's why I don't support the B.C. NDP.
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 28th, 2017, 2:12 pm

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 28th, 2017, 3:03 pm

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 28th, 2017, 3:09 pm

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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 28th, 2017, 3:17 pm

Cactusflower wrote: *removed*


No. Because explaining the situation with math is actual discussion, not chucking partisan peanuts.

Health care, and health care funding is not a partisan game, it affects everyone, and chucking peanuts is all I seem to see from the NDP supporters.

You don't get "summit 'fer nuttin". Is that what you want to see? Is that the low level required for NDP partisans?
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Re: British Columbia's NDP Government: 2017

Postby ferri » Dec 28th, 2017, 3:37 pm

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