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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby rustled » Sep 6th, 2017, 10:07 am

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seewood wrote:This thread has gotten political...again.. I'm thinking most here would like to see the fish farms go to closed systems much like they have in Europe as the open nets had a detrimental affect on their wild salmon.

Now, how to make it important to the powers that can make that change? Does BC have to have their own mass escape? BC has had minor escapes compared to the recent one in WA but the news cycle lasts a day or so.

Pointed questions to the ministers responsible and make their answers last a bit longer in the news cycles.

Open net salmon farms are not a benefit to our coast.

They're not likely to be of benefit to our coast, but I've dug a little and it seems they're not particularly detrimental, either. It's difficult to cut through the over-the-top politically motivated fearmongering, but as best I can tell there has been a lot of caution, and a lot of monitoring, and in balance the risks actually seem pretty minimal. Closed, land-based systems present their own problems.

This should be decided on actual merit/risk assessment, not in the hyper-charged arena of political activism.

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby LordEd » Sep 6th, 2017, 11:13 am

Queen K wrote:Can we see what happens next week with that?
Oh I'm sure the media will be all over the throne speech like drug addled squirrels.

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby Queen K » Sep 6th, 2017, 3:31 pm

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Queen K wrote:Can we see what happens next week with that?
Oh I'm sure the media will be all over the throne speech like drug addled squirrels.


If they aren't, I'll send you free kittens rescued from Premier Horgan's kitchen.
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby Rwede » Sep 6th, 2017, 3:52 pm

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby Queen K » Sep 6th, 2017, 4:03 pm

I'll send you a genetically modified deep fried Atlantic Salmon burger if you will make constructive suggestions towards solving the problems with sharing the Pacific salmon farming issues with the Americans.
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby flamingfingers » Sep 13th, 2017, 4:31 pm

Weaver brought the salmon farming issue up in the Leg today and Popham explained the province's role in conjunction with the federal role, explaining she had been in contact with FN, DFO and others about these concerns. She stated the government's commitment to the Cohen report.

Hopefully the Feds will apply interest in getting these messy things out of our oceans!
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby maryjane48 » Sep 13th, 2017, 4:35 pm

yes lets hope so . also i would like to see our fish managed in conjunction with first nations .
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby Cactusflower » Sep 13th, 2017, 4:57 pm

I hope this issue stays front and centre in the Leg during this session. The federal and our previous provincial government have been ignoring this far too long. Donations from the BC Salmon Farmers Association should not determine how many sea-pen salmon farm permits are issued.
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby rustled » Sep 13th, 2017, 5:10 pm

Cactusflower wrote:I hope this issue stays front and centre in the Leg during this session. The federal and our previous provincial government have been ignoring this far too long. Donations from the BC Salmon Farmers Association should not determine how many sea-pen salmon farm permits are issued.

What do you make of them donating to the NDP? Did that result in fewer permits?
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby flamingfingers » Sep 13th, 2017, 5:14 pm

^^The province does not issue permits. Only the feds do. BC can choose (or not) to renew their tenures. Popham said in the Leg today there are no tenures up for renewal now.
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby Cactusflower » Sep 13th, 2017, 5:24 pm

So in other words, the NDP's hands are tied unless the Feds stop issuing the permits. I guess I'll have to ask Mr. Google how often these tenures come up for renewal. Seems that government red tape will ensure that our wild Pacific salmon will continue to be infected with parasites and disease from the these filthy pens for quite some time.
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Re: Get them out of our OCEAN!!!

Postby flamingfingers » Sep 13th, 2017, 5:29 pm

Why do people who fancy themselves "fiscal conservatives" not scream at hidden debt accumulated in the past dozen years? Or, do they only object to spending on social programs?
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