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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Sparki55 » Dec 21st, 2017, 3:57 pm

maryjane48 wrote:i posted links to non native hunter guides on here taking people out for trophy hunts getting caught breaking the hunting rules . There most definatly is trophy hunting as guides advertise it

https://www.google.ca/search?q=trophy+h ... 0339904461

https://www.google.ca/search?q=trophy+h ... 0339904461


http://www.trophywest.com/


http://www.bcguideoutfitters.com/huntingpackages.html


Clicked your links and found this quote on all of them.

Meat:

We are required by law to bring out all edible portions of an animal. Should you wish to take some or all of the meat home we can arrange for processing and shipping at an additional expense. If you do not wish to take any of the meat, you will be required to sign a "Disposition of Edible Portions of Game Meat" form permitting the meat to be left with your Guide Outfitter.


The guides are either accepting the meat on the hunters behalf to enjoy themselves or possibly serving it at the lodge. The hunter could also proudly take all the game meat home. This ensures that the meat is used as there is no reason for a hunter who doesn't want the meat to dispose of it. While I don't appreciate that people would just go hunt for a trophy and think they should be forced to use the meat I also think our system works well and ensures no part of the animals are wasted.

These websites also noted they have limited spots as they limit how many bears are taken each year to ensure there is adequate sized bears for the upcoming year.

Honest law abiding citizens if you ask me! :130:

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Queen K » Dec 21st, 2017, 4:03 pm

Rwede wrote:
Queen K wrote:Agreed. Trophy hunting was unheard of in our house, which was full of guns and fishing equipment. Never ever had animal parts mounted on any wall. I do go into many houses though and see all kinds of trophies. I know where there is (was?) a HUGE polar bear hide, professionally done back in the 1960s, for sale. They wanted $5,000 a year ago. I can't imagine how anyone in todays World wanting it.


I killed a whitetailed doe for my freezer this year - it is a trophy to me, because it is feeding my family, and the experience of taking responsibility for the food we eat and sharing that experience with my wife who also shot a nice deer on that trip was tremendous.

There's no such thing as "trophy hunting." That is simply a moniker devised by anti-hunting groups that try to smear the image of the people who actually do all the conservation work and fund all the COs and wildlife biologists in this province.

Stop heaping shame on people whose lifestyles differ from yours.


I go over and over this with you Rwede, I grew up to a deer hanging to drain of blood in the backyard every year for years. HOW is it I heap shame on hunters? How? And kudos for you and your wife for hunting what you use.

But this is the thing, just because you don't hunt just for horns or antlers or just the skin, doesn't mean others don't. So what is this insistence that trophy hunting doesn't exist?

I don't understand your complete resistance to the fact that others do. Not one bit.

So again, I am not shaming hunters. Did you miss that I grew up in a house of guns and fishing gear? :135:
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 21st, 2017, 4:24 pm

Spark no one is,question what you posted .but anyone saying trophy hunting doesnt exsist is a,liar :smt045

People do go out to hunt for a,trophy from a animal theres good reason why the meat has to be taken out but no co is going to check if it actualy gets consumed

So you cant prove it all gets eaten by human .all you can prove is the meat isnt left in the bush

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 21st, 2017, 4:25 pm

maryjane48 wrote:i posted links to non native hunter guides on here taking people out for trophy hunts getting caught breaking the hunting rules . There most definatly is trophy hunting as guides advertise it

https://www.google.ca/search?q=trophy+h ... 0339904461

https://www.google.ca/search?q=trophy+h ... 0339904461


http://www.trophywest.com/


http://www.bcguideoutfitters.com/huntingpackages.html


Wow.....$15,500 each for a Grizzly bear trophy hunt. No wonder the guide outfitters are not amused with the NDP's decision. I suppose they wish they'd donated those mega-bucks to the NDP instead of the BC Liberals last year.

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby onestop67 » Dec 21st, 2017, 4:58 pm

Rwede wrote:Crazy ideas. Relocated grizzly bears die swiftly when they intrude on another bear's territory.

Stick to the science. Political and social/emotional BS does nothing but harm wildlife.


RWede, I usually agree with you about hunting topics. You do know what you're talking about.

This time, your wrong. I high-lighted it.

Relocated bears will not die swiftly, if at all. If A bear encroaches on another bears territory, there will be a fight. The dominant bear will keep the territory and the loser will wander off to try and find his own space.

The fights can get brutal, but rarely (1/100) result in the bear dying.
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby onestop67 » Dec 21st, 2017, 5:40 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Spark no one is,question what you posted .but anyone saying trophy hunting doesnt exsist is a,liar :smt045

People do go out to hunt for a,trophy from a animal theres good reason why the meat has to be taken out but no co is going to check if it actualy gets consumed

So you cant prove it all gets eaten by human .all you can prove is the meat isnt left in the bush

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A Grizzly gall bladder is worth $10,000.

Black bear gall bladders are usually sold for $1500.

Minnesota's Garshelis notes that legal black bear hunters harvest nearly 50,000 North American bears each year
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 21st, 2017, 5:55 pm

maryjane48 wrote:Spark no one is,question what you posted .but anyone saying trophy hunting doesnt exsist is a,liar :smt045

People do go out to hunt for a,trophy from a animal theres good reason why the meat has to be taken out but no co is going to check if it actualy gets consumed

So you cant prove it all gets eaten by human .all you can prove is the meat isnt left in the bush

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AND you can't prove that it isn't.

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Sparki55 » Dec 21st, 2017, 6:13 pm

onestop67 wrote:A Grizzly gall bladder is worth $10,000.

Black bear gall bladders are usually sold for $1500.

It's illegal to post these parts for sale, would need to be on the black market. I destroy or stab a hole in every gall bladder from a bear to ensure no one takes it, its part of the field dressing.

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Gone_Fishin » Dec 21st, 2017, 8:43 pm

This is what happens when there is a ban on grizzly hunting.


Wild Things: None of last year's grizzly bear cubs survive in Banff National Park

Colette Derworiz, Calgary Herald

Published on: January 16, 2015 | Last Updated: February 2, 2015 10:55 AM MST


Last year was a tough one for two grizzly bears with cubs in Banff National Park.

Back in the summer, we heard that collared grizzly bear No. 138 lost both of her cubs.

Wildlife officials have now confirmed through remote camera data that another collared bear, No. 130, also lost her two cubs.

“The two bears that we had in our study group of collared animals that gave birth to cubs of the year, they each had a litter of two cubs,” Steve Michel, human-wildlife conflict specialist with Banff National Park, said in a recent interview. “All four of those cubs were killed by large adult male grizzly bears.”

They were the only known cubs of the year in the park.

Michel said they had heard in the summer that No. 130 might have lost her two cubs, but the official confirmation came when he was able to review remote camera data on the bear late last year.

“I was able download some of the imagery from the remote cameras and, sure enough, there she was with no cubs,” he said.

Michel said it shows the loss of both sets of cubs shows the difficult situation female grizzly bears face in the Bow Valley.

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Queen K » Dec 21st, 2017, 8:59 pm

^^ A lot of people call that nature. :135:
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Fancy » Dec 21st, 2017, 9:48 pm

I think it was to show how territorial bears are - boars will kill cubs to eliminate competition.
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Queen K » Dec 21st, 2017, 10:20 pm

I know. Which is nature. What was GF's point though?
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 21st, 2017, 10:30 pm

Queen K wrote:I know. Which is nature. What was GF's point though?

There was no point. Its political showboating devoid of facts
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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby generalposter » Dec 22nd, 2017, 8:35 am

Fancy wrote:I think it was to show how territorial bears are - boars will kill cubs to eliminate competition.


The boars eliminate cubs to trigger the sow to breed again. They do not perceive the cubs as competition unless you include vying for the sows attention.

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Re: Grizzly bears.

Postby Fancy » Dec 22nd, 2017, 8:47 am

That is definitely a theory but I've also read that's under dispute (from a Scandinavian study) and I was going by a National Geographic segment from quite some time ago. At any rate, I'll defer to you - I haven't had any contact with grizzlies except to see one in the wild.
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