Castanet

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/brit ... -1.4262190



i will have to investigate the claims but on face value i see what they are getting at

A ban on "hinting" ???

The Cariboo Chilcotin has had 11 major fires since May and has also experienced a substantial increase on logging over the past three years. The request for the hunting and perhaps even a fishing ban is a logical request for the period September through to May of next year. This would give time for a proper evaluation of the flora and fauna in the area.

Current hunting regulations have no effect whatsoever on overall ungulate populations. In fact, if winter range has been damaged by the fire, its carrying capacity may be compromised to the point where too many adult ungulates could cause mass starvation for all animals if they enter winter with too many animals.

As an example, if winter range is damaged to the point of being 40% insufficient for the current ungulate population, it does not mean 40% of the animals die over winter. It means up to 75% of animals could die because all animals end up with 40% too little feed. Thus, it would make more sense to allow hunting season to occur and harvest animals that may otherwise starve, and give the remaining animals a better chance of making it through the winter with less competition for scarce food resources.

The hunting seasons in the Cariboo region are for adult male deer and limited entry male moose. Those animals have no direct influence on overall populations, and their harvest is regulated to ensure a sufficient sperm supply is available to breed. Populations grow from the survival of fawns and calves, on which there is no hunting season, so there's no sense in halting harvest on adult males. Chief Joe doesn't understand wildlife science, or is choosing to ignore it in his plea.

On the up side, these fires are going to result in an explosion of ungulate populations over the next couple of years as the need browse that sprouts after fires supports terrific ungulate nutrition. Hunting is going to be very good in the Cariboo over the next couple of decades as these fires provide optimum habitat for wildlife.

Indians want a ban on anything they don't like or agree with imagine if we were given the same latitude? what even Bigger mess we would be in regarding the indian fiasco

It did strike me as an odd request.

As G-F points out, the destruction of that much habitat will place a huge stress on the wildlife populations. A reduced population, especially of unnecessary breeding stock would help that situation, not exacerbate it.

In a sense, akin what a rancher does when determining what portion of the herd to send to market, lots of feed, keep a higher proportion to build up the herd, not much feed, send more to market so the remaining herd does well.

In the end, the burned out areas are a natural phenomenon, and will result in potentially higher populations in the future. Old forest stands are not very productive in terms of producing feed for deer et al. Clear cuts (which mimic burns) and burned areas, after about 2 years, become highly productive for deer in particular.

their land their rules . life will go on .

Alphonse said he has had many calls from non-native hunters who want a ban on moose hunting until the population recovers. Alphonse is also asking non-native hunters to stay out of the Chilcotin this fall.

“If we have to follow around every last hunter and shame them into not hunting, then that’s what we will do.”



take heed. mr alphonse isnt one to be messed with

maryjane48 wrote:their land their rules . life will go on .

Sure.....regulate on ignorance of fact. It's well established science that burns are nothing but renewal and hugely beneficial to the ungulate population among many others. Before we had human intervention never mind water bombers and heli buckets, wildfires were on a scope we see nothing of today and the wildlife population thrived. Accident I guess eh? The Chief needs some education or has an ulterior motive.
The only questionable harvest practices I see these days are by the self professed stewards of the land.

Edit to add- I actually remember a lesson in school many years ago that the FN's of past years had the wisdom to recognize that hunting was actually better for years following a fire and hence starting managing their own hunting fortunes by starting their own fires for forage renewal. Seems that piece of history didn't get past down by the Chief's elders.

maryjane48 wrote:Alphonse said he has had many calls from non-native hunters who want a ban on moose hunting until the population recovers. Alphonse is also asking non-native hunters to stay out of the Chilcotin this fall.

“If we have to follow around every last hunter and shame them into not hunting, then that’s what we will do.”



take heed. mr alphonse isnt one to be messed with

What he's proposing to do is illegal under the Wildlife Act.

Obstructing licensed persons
80 A person commits an offence if the person interferes with or obstructs a person licensed or permitted to capture wildlife or to hunt, fish, guide or trap while that person is lawfully so engaged.

And this is a section of the Wildlife Act that applies to all persons, irrespective of race. Chief Joe and his band are not above the law.

Gone_Fishin wrote:Chief Joe and his band are not above the law.

I do hope that is true, but would not be surprised if they did it, were caught, and got off Scott free.

In 1996 on the heavily populated Saanich Peninsula here on the southern island, two natives were caught, charged, and convicted of pit-lamping somewhere on the peninsula. They took it to the Court of Appeals, and lost. Then to the Supreme Court of Canada where.... Well, read it yourself and weep...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/b-c-first-nation-can-hunt-at-night-supreme-court-1.618478

So it is perfectly legal for natives to go out in the middle of the night with large-bore hunting rifles, powerful lamps, and shoot at any eyeballs they see reflected in the light. There isn't anywhere on the peninsula where you're much more than a kilometer from developed neighbourhoods full of houses and people.

I'll bet they could shoot at people in the Chilcotin this fall, and be forgiven by the courts, because they were protecting their sacred hunting areas.

dontrump wrote:Indians want a ban on anything they don't like or agree with imagine if we were given the same latitude? what even Bigger mess we would be in regarding the indian fiasco

yup

maryjane48 wrote:their land their rules . life will go on .

more like your so called land, planet earth is every one's imo we all came from the same place guess what that makes us all brothers and sisters

http://www.100milefreepress.net/news/hu ... -region-5/


theres hunting in region 5 except where noted. unless your going yo starve it would be good to see casual hunters not go there . and you wont be able to on first nations land