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BC First Nations take action

BC First Nations take action

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 30th, 2017, 11:37 am

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/brit ... -1.4268234


well looks like our govts inaction for last 16 years have come to this . if bclibs had been more concerned with bc instead of having their gruby little hands out for money this wouldnt be a issue :smt045

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Carrs Landing Viking » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:39 pm

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:40 pm

I am shocked at the lack of action here by PM Trudeau and Premier Horgan. *removed*
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Re: Bc first nations take action

Postby JagXKR » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:46 pm

maryjane48 wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/first-nations-environmentalists-occupy-b-c-salmon-farm-1.4268234


well looks like our govts inaction for last 16 years have come to this . if bclibs had been more concerned with bc instead of having their gruby little hands out for money this wouldnt be a issue :smt045


Why are you not attacking the JT Liberals for their inaction?

From your link

"Fisheries and Oceans Canada is also responsible for granting operating licences to fish farms. The department did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday."
Why use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

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Re: Bc first nations take action

Postby The Green Barbarian » Aug 30th, 2017, 12:48 pm

JagXKR wrote:
Why are you not attacking the JT Liberals for their inaction?


If the Conservatives were still in power, the thread title would be "Harper killing Coastlines". But now *removed*, somehow there's no mention of Trudeau and the Liberal inaction on this. The hypocrisy being shown here is just pathetic and disgusting.
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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 30th, 2017, 1:51 pm

boils down to clark taking money from the fish farms. thats a fact
. what isnt proven is dept of fisheries accepting money from same fish farms. until you provide a link showing fish farms giving money to dept of fisheries , it isnt part this topic :130:
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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 30th, 2017, 3:04 pm

http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/9788388/story.html

fishfarms recieved 4 million in tax money for diseased fish . program for the public subsadys started under harper. will we see outrage on the right for this ? or more corrupt hypocrasy :smt045

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Walking Wounded » Aug 30th, 2017, 3:23 pm

maryjane48 wrote:boils down to clark taking money from the fish farms. thats a fact
. what isnt proven is dept of fisheries accepting money from same fish farms. until you provide a link showing fish farms giving money to dept of fisheries , it isnt part this topic :130:

You have a link to your so called fact?

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Hassel99 » Aug 30th, 2017, 3:25 pm

maryjane48 wrote:http://www.vancouversun.com/Business/9788388/story.html

fishfarms recieved 4 million in tax money for diseased fish . program for the public subsadys started under harper. will we see outrage on the right for this ? or more corrupt hypocrasy :smt045



I am upset by this, BC only got $4mm while the east coast got $90mm?
Not fair, we have sick fish too you know!

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby hobbyguy » Aug 30th, 2017, 3:43 pm

I have no problem with this. Decades of Liberal, Conservative and NDP governments have done zero about this issue (aside from occasionally making some noise).

From what I gather, closed pen land based systems can indeed compete with open net pen systems. https://www.was.org/articles/fish-farming-in-land-based-closed-containment-systems.aspx#.Wac4WdGQyUk

The taste problem seems resolvable as well.

So if we MUST stick with salmon, there just isn't the barrier there used to be to resolving this. Time for some action, and my suggestion would be a "kill two birds with one stone" approach.

1. Add a temporary Pigovian tax to open net farmed salmon (say, 10 years and good-bye?).
2. Make that money available to FNs who wish to partner with existing fish farmers to help offset the cost of closed systems.
3. Do NOT make provincial lands available for closed systems.

That would engender economic opportunities for FNs - a good thing. Many FNs have suitable land available, and that land contribution would guarantee location where economic benefits would flow to FNs, and at the same time increase the share of profits as land costs would add to the FN share of total value.

Alternately, and this is my preference, get away from salmon farming entirely and move to fish lower on the food chain (more input-output efficiency).

Another alternate worth pursuing is a native BC species, Steelhead. They grow as large as salmon and are much more tolerant of varying salinity, being essentially a sea run Rainbow trout. Rainbow trout are already successfully farmed, so why not Steelhead as a replacement for Atlantic Salmon??

Many of who have had the opportunity to eat Steelhead prefer it to salmon. It would also present interesting export opportunities.
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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby maryjane48 » Aug 30th, 2017, 4:58 pm

sure hobby that would work but no ten year chance for open pens. one year and gone. no point i taking risks when it should never have been allowed. when did this style of fishfarms really start in bc ? before 2001 ?


http://www.farmedanddangerous.org/solut ... ory-in-bc/

heres the timeline. since 1950 all govts were responsable but lets be clear who ran the province for longest time. the rightwing. us the ndp put mortarium on new farms . when gordo came along they lifted it . why ? because of donations :smt045

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby JagXKR » Aug 30th, 2017, 5:03 pm

hobbyguy wrote:
Many of who have had the opportunity to eat Steelhead prefer it to salmon. It would also present interesting export opportunities.


Many years ago and I loved it. Steelhead farms for sure.
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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Cactusflower » Aug 30th, 2017, 5:33 pm

There's no way we can give those open pen salmon farms another decade to clean up their act. They must be legislated out NOW. I've been reading up on steelhead trout farming in Monterey Bay, CA, as well as in WA state in the Colville I.R. I don't know if there are any in BC, but I have seen them on display at one of my local super-markets. Must ask them next time I'm there who their supplier is.

In the meantime, I'm not about to stop buying wild Pacific salmon, and I refuse to eat those diseased farmed Atlantic salmon. I may have mentioned this earlier, but before the Norwegian fish farms started infiltrating our coastal waters, I knew the first entrepreneur who started a land-based Chinook salmon aquaculture operation. He was doing fine until the government sent some antibiotics to inject the fish with. To make a long story short, all the fish died overnight. I left the area shortly thereafter and never did hear if he recovered from that loss.

My point is, that type of aquaculture needs to be cultivated again. We should never be expected to eat foul-tasting, diseased salmon that is not indigenous to our coast. And we should not be expected to sit idly by as the Atlantic salmon farmers poison our water and consequently our wild Pacific salmon. The First Nations are trying their best to force the governments to get those filthy salmon farms out of their territory. Why aren't we doing the same?

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Bigdaddy2290 » Aug 30th, 2017, 5:56 pm

Oh @cactusflower there is too much hatred there for me to answer all of it, and I am sure you won't listen to reason. But for anybody else... Steelhead in the super markets are farm raised either in Powell River BC or in Saskatchewan. They come from Rainbow Trout eggs that are imported from Washington State and are labelled Steelhead to differentiate them from the much cheaper farmed rainbow trout. Still a good eating fish, glad you like it.
Some First Nations are taking action -many others have partnered with the farms and are growing fish, creating jobs and are happy with the arrangement. None of them have ever terminated a partnership. This is because once they get inside they see how the farms really operate, getting past the rhetoric and the fund raising terror mongering by the Environment fundraisers. They are having a positive impact TOGETHER.

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Re: BC First Nations take action

Postby Cactusflower » Aug 30th, 2017, 7:49 pm

Provide a link to First Nations partnering in open pen salmon farms. To my knowledge they are only involved in land-based operations. Don't know how you read any "hate" into my comment. I was stating the facts only. If you don't like them, you must have some skin in the game.
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