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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Opeeved » Sep 3rd, 2017, 8:24 am

MrSandman wrote:was JUST coming here to post that story (different link)

and the man admitted it was his second time being caught for the offence


:cuss: that guy, he should have his car impounded and charged with arson piece of :cuss: human

This attitude is why I just don't care about people and their thoughts sometimes. (Not just on the board here)
Just a little overboard, don't ya think? I think so. This guy probably thinks so too
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Piecemaker » Sep 3rd, 2017, 10:18 am

If you are a smoker, create your own ashtray in your vehicle. Lack of an ashtray is a poor excuse for tossing a butt out the window. My car doesn't come with a garbage can, so I guess I can toss trash out the window! I've known some smokers who regularly tossed their butts out their car window because they didn't want to have to clean out their ashtray.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Smurf » Sep 3rd, 2017, 10:42 am

There are good smokers but there are a terrible number of idiots that think it is just their right. They don't care where they smoke or where they leave their butts. I spent time around the Kelowna hospital last year before, during and after my hip replacement. I don't believe there was one time when I was going in or out the front door that there wasn't at least one idiot smoking right beside the no smoking signs. It's no wonder so many hate it when there are so many fools that just can't listen. Maybe the smoke affects their brains or maybe smokers don't have too many to begin with.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Cactusflower » Sep 3rd, 2017, 11:02 am

A friend of mine invented a new slogan regarding those who throw ciggie butts and all manner of garbage out of car windows, etc.Start referring to them, not as 'litter bugs', but 'litter losers'. Nobody likes being called a loser. Would that be effective? I doubt it.

I'm still driving my 11-year od Chevy, so don't know whether the new cars have ashtrays or not, but since all the do-gooders in the world are not going to make our planet smoke-free, I suggest those auto manufacturers start installing ashtrays in their vehicles again. If they don't, then it's up to the individual smoker to fashion some sort of ashtray to keep in the car.

Having said that, I'm convinced that very few forest fires are caused by cigarette butts. It's been my experience from years of hiking in the back country that people who leave campfires unextinguished are the biggest offenders. There should be a study done on human-caused wildfires.

As far as the cigarette butt nuisance in parking lots or city streets is concerned, it is what it is. There will always be litterers in the world, and so far no one has thought of an effective way to cure them of their slovenly behaviour, but unless they're causing irreparable damage, there's really not much that can be done.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby maple leaf » Sep 3rd, 2017, 11:15 am

There is no excuse and blaming car manufactures for lack of ash trays is ridiculous.You can go to the dollar store and buy one .
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Cactusflower » Sep 3rd, 2017, 11:22 am

My old Chevy has one of those things. I thought it was put there by the manufacturer, but it must have been put there by the previous owner.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby my5cents » Sep 3rd, 2017, 11:24 am

Cactusflower wrote:A friend of mine invented a new slogan regarding those who throw ciggie butts and all manner of garbage out of car windows, etc.Start referring to them, not as 'litter bugs', but 'litter losers'. Nobody likes being called a loser. Would that be effective? I doubt it.

I'm still driving my 11-year od Chevy, so don't know whether the new cars have ashtrays or not, but since all the do-gooders in the world are not going to make our planet smoke-free, I suggest those auto manufacturers start installing ashtrays in their vehicles again. If they don't, then it's up to the individual smoker to fashion some sort of ashtray to keep in the car.

Having said that, I'm convinced that very few forest fires are caused by cigarette butts. It's been my experience from years of hiking in the back country that people who leave campfires unextinguished are the biggest offenders. There should be a study done on human-caused wildfires.

As far as the cigarette butt nuisance in parking lots or city streets is concerned, it is what it is. There will always be litterers in the world, and so far no one has thought of an effective way to cure them of their slovenly behaviour, but unless they're causing irreparable damage, there's really not much that can be done.


Considering the number of wild fires that have started right beside roadways, on days when there was no lightening, there must me a lot of people leaving campfires burning at the sides of roads.

Your hiking in the back country doesn't really shed light on fires that start at the sides of roadways.

As for auto makers having some onus to provide receptacles for smoking material, do we also require them to provide garbage cans, for the thoughtless automobile occupants that throw trash out ?

Let's place the blame where it belongs.

Really, a study on human caused wild fires ??
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Cactusflower » Sep 3rd, 2017, 12:40 pm

Of course. We need to have some answers before attaching blame to any particular group of irresponsible humans.

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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby lesliepaul » Sep 3rd, 2017, 1:07 pm

Considering the number of wild fires that have started right beside roadways, on days when there was no lightening, there must me a lot of people leaving campfires burning at the sides of roads.

Your hiking in the back country doesn't really shed light on fires that start at the sides of roadways.

As for auto makers having some onus to provide receptacles for smoking material, do we also require them to provide garbage cans, for the thoughtless automobile occupants that throw trash out ?

Let's place the blame where it belongs.

Really, a study on human caused wild fires ??
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby flamingfingers » Sep 3rd, 2017, 4:52 pm

I don't care what it is - butts, food wrappers, water bottles, cardboard drink containers, Styrofoam, bottles, cans, etc - you are a pig to drop stuff ANYWHERE except in proper garbage or recycle containers!!

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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Smurf » Sep 4th, 2017, 5:48 am

I was very happy yesterday at a family gathering with 18 people, 4 generations, 2 children, present. One of whom who was 2 years, three months old was the only one that littered and actually helped her mother pick up. No smoking (3 past smokers), no drugs and alcohol consisted of 2 drinking small amounts of beer and a bit of wine at supper. Everyone had a ball without the necessity of mind altering or addictive substances. So much more pleasant and a good time was had by all.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Opeeved » Sep 4th, 2017, 2:35 pm

Smurf wrote:I was very happy yesterday at a family gathering with 18 people, 4 generations, 2 children, present. One of whom who was 2 years, three months old was the only one that littered and actually helped her mother pick up. No smoking (3 past smokers), no drugs and alcohol consisted of 2 drinking small amounts of beer and a bit of wine at supper. Everyone had a ball without the necessity of mind altering or addictive substances. So much more pleasant and a good time was had by all.

I get your point, but what really
Is your point with this post? I can assume or make
Supposition, but really, youre transcribing what you believe how people should behave. Fair enough, I get that too. I've been to those type events, I've also been to drunken familiial parties. I'm just asking because in appearance you're judging :130: :up:
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Opeeved » Sep 4th, 2017, 2:46 pm

Back to topic. I won't apologize for who I am. That'll never happen. But, when I'm about about to put my smoke out in Mr car ashtray, scofflaw judgers pop in my head and I throw it out the window just to pee you off. I know it's wrong, I do it anyway. I also don't really care, because I can come to "your house" and cast stones. Because we're all human and fallible.


That's my :cuss: you all, for the day.

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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby OldIslander » Sep 4th, 2017, 3:11 pm

Here's a TV interview with the now infamous Victoria driver, who recently contributed generously to the province's general revenue, after 'flicking his butt'...

http://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/that-cigarette-butt-was-out-man-fined-575-for-wildfire-act-violation-speaks-out-1.3572767

I know it's not nice to judge a book by its cover, but this guy doesn't seem like the brightest bulb on the tree. I could be wrong -- he might be a brilliant engineer or something... The fact is, it doesn't matter if the butt was out or not. You can't expect a police officer, upon seeing a butt flicked out a car window, to first stop, find, and examine the butt to see if it's still hot, before having a word with the driver. The law doesn't say it's okay to flick butts as long as they were just squeezed out. Squeezing out a butt as he demonstrated, should be considered 'distracted driving', especially if he burns his fingers or showers his lap with burning embers.

I'll bet now that he's received his 2nd ticket for this, he'll think twice before flicking another.
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Re: Smoking Scofflaws

Postby Bsuds » Sep 4th, 2017, 3:16 pm

OldIslander wrote:I'll bet now that he's received his 2nd ticket for this, he'll think twice before flicking another.


I suspect he will just be more careful to check for Cops before flicking his butts and not stop at all.

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