Carriers to pay for oil spills

[maryjane48]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/209087 ... oil-spills


nice to see our new govt getting tough on pollutters. something our previous govt neglected to do

[Cactusflower]

But unfortunately, Big Oil doesn't play by the rules.

[Dizzy1]

But unfortunately, Big Oil doesn't play by the rules.

[maryjane48]

https://www.desmog.ca/2017/10/13/no-wor ... g-disaster


no first class responce in bc

[Mark5]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/209087/Carriers-to-pay-for-oil-spills


nice to see our new govt getting tough on pollutters. something our previous govt neglected to do

The carriers will just increase their rates to pay for this. In the long run, we will all be paying because we all use these products so we are all responsible in one way or the other.

[Cactusflower]

https://www.castanet.net/news/BC/209087/Carriers-to-pay-for-oil-spills


nice to see our new govt getting tough on pollutters. something our previous govt neglected to do

The carriers will just increase their rates to pay for this. In the long run, we will all be paying because we all use these products so we are all responsible in one way or the other.

This is true, and that is why we have to stop the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion from ever crossing the AB/BC border. We did it to Enbridge; we can do it to KM/TransMountain.

[Urban Cowboy]

As long as you are using the products, and byproducts associated with oil, that sounds an awful lot like the oft heard "not in my backyard" approach to an issue.

Then again it's par for the course, given the evidence that environmental concerns are an issue when discussing the Peace region, but not an issue when it's solar panel manufacture in China polluting the atmosphere.

Selective environmental concern in action once again.

[Cactusflower]

As long as you are using the products, and byproducts associated with oil, that sounds an awful lot like the oft heard "not in my backyard" approach to an issue.

Then again it's par for the course, given the evidence that environmental concerns are an issue when discussing the Peace region, but not an issue when it's solar panel manufacture in China polluting the atmosphere.

Selective environmental concern in action once again.

Tell me, OT, what are your environmental concerns?

[Mark5]

The carriers will just increase their rates to pay for this. In the long run, we will all be paying because we all use these products so we are all responsible in one way or the other.[/quote]

This is true, and that is why we have to stop the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion from ever crossing the AB/BC border. We did it to Enbridge; we can do it to KM/TransMountain.[/quote]

You can began by giving up driving and not taking public transit and heating your home with anything other then electricity, even though that requires the use of fossil fuels to build and maintain. If you and millions of others do this it will reduce the demand which in turn will decrease production. Many of us do not mind paying for the occasional spill which does not actually cause and real permanent damage.

[flamingfingers]

Many of us do not mind paying for the occasional spill which does not actually cause and real permanent damage.

Can you say that again in terms that can be easily understood? Please and thanks!

[Cactusflower]

The carriers will just increase their rates to pay for this. In the long run, we will all be paying because we all use these products so we are all responsible in one way or the other.

This is true, and that is why we have to stop the Kinder Morgan pipeline expansion from ever crossing the AB/BC border. We did it to Enbridge; we can do it to KM/TransMountain.[/quote]

You can began by giving up driving and not taking public transit and heating your home with anything other then electricity, even though that requires the use of fossil fuels to build and maintain. If you and millions of others do this it will reduce the demand which in turn will decrease production. Many of us do not mind paying for the occasional spill which does not actually cause and real permanent damage.[/quote]

Many of us do mind. Leave your computer for 1/2 hour tonight at 7 p.m. and watch Global for the information you are sorely lacking.

[Urban Cowboy]

Tell me, OT, what are your environmental concerns?

Well for starters I'm far more concerned about the Cesium-137 from Fukushima still polluting the Pacific Ocean and all that's in it, than I am some of the things you are concerned about such as the negligible environmental impact of Site C, while you indicate little or no concern regarding the far more damaging side effects of solar panel production which also gives me great concern.

A lot of concern in fact, when I think about all those panels having a far shorter life span than dams, and posing a huge problem in regards to what to do with them, when they are past their best before date.

I honestly feel that compared to you, I tend to look at the big picture far more than you seem capable of.

In keeping with the topic of this thread it's really quite simple, I feel the odds are far greater that we'll avoid a major disaster using a pipeline, as opposed to rail cars, or tanker trucks, either of which could end up in a river causing untold environmental havoc. Given the history of Kinder Morgan the odds favor a pipeline as being the safest method by which to move the oil, and we know that it's going to keep moving one way or another.

Life often is a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils, given that it's not a perfect world.

[Cactusflower]

Pipelines may be the safest way to move diluted bitumen, but they're not safe enough. Then we still have the tanker problem no matter how the crud gets to the coast, don't we? If Energy East and Kinder Morgan/TransMountain are out of the picture, the multinational oil companies can still ship their diluted bitumen through Keystone XL. Haven't heard much abut that one lately.

(Gotta go now........see you tomorrow!)

[Urban Cowboy]

Pipelines may be the safest way to move diluted bitumen, but they're not safe enough. Then we still have the tanker problem no matter how the crud gets to the coast, don't we? If Energy East and Kinder Morgan/TransMountain are out of the picture, the multinational oil companies can still ship their diluted bitumen through Keystone XL. Haven't heard much abut that one lately.

(Gotta go now........see you tomorrow!)

I've looked at oil tanker disaster statistics, and modern ship regulations regarding design, have gone far in avoiding such disasters, something the statistics bear out.

The available data indicates ships and pipelines are safer than trucks and rail cars.

And yet again you are demonstrating that ever present NIMBY attitude with your Keystone XL remark. Basically you're happy to use oil, and oil byproducts, just so long as oil isn't transported in your province. Some might view that as a tad selfish and unfair.

[Mark5]

Many of us do not mind paying for the occasional spill which does not actually cause and real permanent damage.

Can you say that again in terms that can be easily understood? Please and thanks!

Well I made a typo error. I meant any real permanent damage ie forever and ever. Everyone has to pay in one way or another for things that bring value. So we have to accept that nothing is perfect and that there will be costs. People love owning and driving vehicles yet thousands of Canadians are killed and injured from car crashes each year. We accept that carnage because of the freedom and value our vehicles bring. Wind generators with their big blades kill thousands of birds. Of course damage from oil spills is still not good for wildlife and should be avoided. However, oil does eventually break down over time with the help of microbes.

This from Scientific American: "The last (and only) defense against the ongoing Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is tiny—billions of hydrocarbon-chewing microbes, such as Alcanivorax borkumensis. In fact, the primary motive for using the more than 830,000 gallons of chemical dispersants on the oil slick both above and below the surface of the sea is to break the oil into smaller droplets that bacteria can more easily consume.

"If the oil is in very small droplets, microbial degradation is much quicker," says microbial ecologist Kenneth Lee, director of the Center for Offshore Oil, Gas and Energy Research with Fisheries and Oceans Canada, who has been measuring the oil droplets in the Gulf of Mexico to determine the effectiveness of the dispersant use. "The dispersants can also stimulate microbial growth. Bacteria will chew on the dispersants as well as the oil."

Oil is a product of planet earth and to planet earth it will return.

There are people that want Canada not to produce or refine oil at all. So they attack everything and anything in regards to the oil industry. They want to shut everything down so they spread doom and gloom and fear and guilt. They exaggerate and lie and pretend they know what is best for us all. The new inquisitors of this new age religion. Challenge them and you will be mocked and belittled and called a heretic. The parallels to the Catholic church of old are somewhat disturbing. The new God is Gaia and we are all sinners guilty of the new original sin for our use of fossil fuels. Repent now before it is too late!