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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby Cactusflower » Nov 7th, 2017, 10:57 am

Fancy wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:According to the dictionary, the word 'derelict' means 'left or abandoned by the owner or guardian'. What made you jump to the conclusion that one of those ships cant be refurbished and put back on the fleet?
- also means "In a very poor condition as a result of disuse and neglect" neglected, in ruins, bad state of repair etc. etc.
Collins, Oxford, Cambridge etc. etc.


Perhaps BC Ferries should hire someone to go down there and assess which ones are 'in ruins', and which are simply 'left or abandoned by the owner or guardian'.
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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby alanjh595 » Nov 7th, 2017, 11:06 am

Fancy wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:According to the dictionary, the word 'derelict' means 'left or abandoned by the owner or guardian'. What made you jump to the conclusion that one of those ships cant be refurbished and put back on the fleet?
- also means "In a very poor condition as a result of disuse and neglect" neglected, in ruins, bad state of repair etc. etc.
Collins, Oxford, Cambridge etc. etc.


Cactusflower wrote:Perhaps BC Ferries should hire someone to go down there and assess which ones are 'in ruins', and which are simply 'left or abandoned by the owner or guardian'.


What? ANOTHER study group on the taxpayer's $$$ ? :135:

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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby Cactusflower » Nov 7th, 2017, 1:39 pm

^^Much better than the 'ready, fire, aim' approach of the previous government.
:topic: The 'new' old Greek ferry has not even been tested yet, so perhaps it would be best to carry on this debate next summer.
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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby alanjh595 » Nov 7th, 2017, 1:47 pm

The NDP government couldn't make a decision on which stall to use in the bathroom without first hiring a study group that was paid for by the taxpayers. And even at that, it would have to think about it until it was too late.

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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby Fancy » Nov 7th, 2017, 2:10 pm

Cactusflower wrote:^^Much better than the 'ready, fire, aim' approach of the previous government.
:topic: The 'new' old Greek ferry has not even been tested yet, so perhaps it would be best to carry on this debate next summer.

The Northern Sea Wolf is already seaworthy - the rusty ferry in the photos, not so much.

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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby alanjh595 » Nov 7th, 2017, 2:27 pm

Cactusflower wrote:^^Much better than the 'ready, fire, aim' approach of the previous government.
:topic: The 'new' old Greek ferry has not even been tested yet, so perhaps it would be best to carry on this debate next summer.

Fancy wrote:The Northern Sea Wolf is already seaworthy - the rusty ferry in the photos, not so much.

It would take too long and too much money to get that thing to float again. It's not even worth recycling for the scrap value, ergo....that's why it is sitting where it is.
BUT if CF and MJ think it is viable, let's hear what they have to show from their personal research. I am willing to read what they have to say and their conclusions, IF they are based on FACTS.
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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby The Green Barbarian » Nov 7th, 2017, 2:30 pm

Cactusflower wrote:^^Much better than the 'ready, fire, aim' approach of the previous government.
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Why is that better? Hiring really stupid people to do studies and paying them a lot of money to do nothing is not much better. It's much worse.
Not sure why I bother with a signature as it seems to just randomly disappear on a regular basis. Especially if it offends liberal snowflakes.

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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby seewood » Nov 7th, 2017, 3:22 pm

Just saw this on another forum:
Mar 14, 2017 at 9:29am mirrlmak said:
Does anyone know if the ex Queen of Chilliwack would have met the honourable minister's latest requirements for a ship to replace the Nimpkish on this route?:-) (I am aware it used to primarily do this route)


That depends on whether you mean a properly working Queen of Chilliwack, or the tired ship that was barely hanging on at
The theoretical perfectly running Queen of Chilliwack would have mostly met the Minister's criteria, except for seakeeping being too much of a rolling ship for passenger comfort.

The real mechanically unreliable Queen of Chilliwack would have had too many breakdowns to be a qualifying ship, and her rolling would be another strike against her.

It's sad that many people think that she was a good ship at the end, simply because of all the regulatory-compliance money spent on her. That foolishly spent money didn't change that she was still a poor old ship.

I'm looking forward to a better ship for this old/new route.
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I think two of my biases shone-through to tarnish my reply.

1) That the new ship should have been ordered 5-10 years ago, resulting in a purpose-built ship suited to the routes.
- So I compare the old Chilliwack to that ideal.


2)I've seen too many "pefectly fine ship" comments on facebook groups that decried the sale of the 'Chilliwack to Goundar.
- I've got my auto-reply ready for these comments, to explain that the ship wasn't great, and most of the money spent in the final years was just to keep her barely regulatory-compliant.


Yes, she could have been used for a few more years on Route-40, with the tolerance of some expected breakdowns each season. Even if it was just to do 2 direct Port Hardy - Bella Coola round trips each week in the summer. That would have made a huge difference for the tourism economy in the mid-coast and Chilcotin.

Just a couple of posts from ferry junkies....
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Re: New ferry for B.C.

Postby Dizzy1 » Nov 7th, 2017, 10:36 pm

Cactusflower wrote:^^What about the second part of my comment? I'm not even going to dignify the other rude remarks on this page with a reply.

How about the fact that snuffs your fantasy?
Nobody wants to hear your opinion. They just want to hear their own opinion coming out of your mouth.

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