All First Nation reserves in support of Kinder Morgan

[Cactusflower]

There's a great article in the Financial Post about how many First Nations groups are tired of being wrongly portrayed as being opposed to many industrial projects, such as the KM pipeline, and are beginning to fight back.

Although the article would be very relevant to this thread, as it covers a lot more than just the KM pipeline, it probably merits a thread all of its own, so I started one here:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=75575

That Financial Post article has already been posted and is being discussed on the "First Nations left empty-handed" thread.

[The Green Barbarian]

There's a great article in the Financial Post about how many First Nations groups are tired of being wrongly portrayed as being opposed to many industrial projects, such as the KM pipeline, and are beginning to fight back.

Thanks for that Merry. That's very valuable information. Especially considering the amount of BS we've been fed by certain people here about the FN and how they operate etc. I personally find it reprehensible when the FN are represented in such a negative light myself. There is no reason, in my mind, that we all can't find a way to work together, to ensure mutual prosperity from such great projects as KM and Site C. Only the lunatic fringe can't see this, and they should be rightfully ignored.

[Cactusflower]

Is this one of the salmon farms in the Broughton Archipelago that are being occupied by the First Nations of that area?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4013025
"If we can't clean that up, then how does that speak to our capacity to deal with large ocean-going tankers with heavy fuel products?" - Peter Ross, ocean pollution expert with the Vancouver Aquarium.

[hobbyguy]

Is this one of the salmon farms in the Broughton Archipelago that are being occupied by the First Nations of that area?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.4013025
"If we can't clean that up, then how does that speak to our capacity to deal with large ocean-going tankers with heavy fuel products?" - Peter Ross, ocean pollution expert with the Vancouver Aquarium.

I have said it before, oil spills in the marine environment do not get cleaned up. The answer is to prevent them in the first place. The marine safety regime combined with double hull tankers and many other improvement, there simply won't be a tanker spill.

This is just an hysterical assumption that is part of the cult of green, as opposed to realistically accomplishing beneficial outcomes.

[alanjh595]

So why don't we just shut everything down that the NDP, natives and the green team wants?

There goes:

Forestry, logging, and mill workers.
Commercial fishers.
Pipelines.
Electrical dams.
Natural gas production.

Whats left? Tourism? Real estate? Construction? Politics?
No tax money to pay the politicians, they're gone.
No wood to build houses, there goes construction and real estate.
No fishing, there goes native income.
No Gas production, there goes heat and electrical production.
No electricity, EV fueling, computers and lighting and electric transit.

I guess we could all go back to tents and campfires? Oh wait no fires allowed.

BC could easily become the fastest growing "Have Not" province in this country.

[Cactusflower]

So why don't we just shut everything down that the NDP, natives and the green team wants?

There goes:

Forestry, logging, and mill workers.
Commercial fishers.
Pipelines.
Electrical dams.
Natural gas production.

Whats left? Tourism? Real estate? Construction? Politics?
No tax money to pay the politicians, they're gone.
No wood to build houses, there goes construction and real estate.
No fishing, there goes native income.
No Gas production, there goes heat and electrical production.
No electricity, EV fueling, computers and lighting and electric transit.

I guess we could all go back to tents and campfires? Oh wait no fires allowed.

BC could easily become the fastest growing "Have Not" province in this country.

You couldn't be more wrong. To begin with, the first items on your list were what the NDP is starting to open up again after the BCLibreals basically shut them down.

Secondly, you're confusing commercial fishing with sea-pen salmon farms.

Third, there are pipelines, and then there are pipelines. Water pipelines should be built in order to get clean drinking water to northern aboriginal communities.

Fourth, we have many existing hydroelectric dams; we don't need any more.

Lastly, there's nothing wrong with conventional natural gas production for domestic purposes, but there's no money in exporting fracked natural gas, as Petronas and others have pointed out.

The previous government sold us out to their friendly contractors and corporate donors. The Site C dam is a good example of this. From now on it will be a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. It's going to take awhile to straighten out the mess left by the BC Libs, but it will happen.......unless the BC electorate gets conned into re-electing a Con/Lib government again.

[hobbyguy]

What a load of nonsense!

1) Softwood lumber exports have remained at historical levels, with normal market fluctuiations.
2) Pulp and paper is in trouble not because of BC government policy, but because of those funny little things people now use instead of paper - tablets, computers, smart phones....
3)You don't build water pipelines, you build purification plants onsite.
4) You are entirely wrong on the hydroelectric dam question, but refuse to accept objective facts and reality.
5) Ummm... if LNG exports can be developed, a LOT of FNs stand to gain economic independence. Don't you like them? Plus the government will have extra $$ to spend on social programs like health care? Don't you like those?

[Cactusflower]

What a load of nonsense!

1) Softwood lumber exports have remained at historical levels, with normal market fluctuiations.
2) Pulp and paper is in trouble not because of BC government policy, but because of those funny little things people now use instead of paper - tablets, computers, smart phones....
3)You don't build water pipelines, you build purification plants onsite.
4) You are entirely wrong on the hydroelectric dam question, but refuse to accept objective facts and reality.
5) Ummm... if LNG exports can be developed, a LOT of FNs stand to gain economic independence. Don't you like them? Plus the government will have extra $$ to spend on social programs like health care? Don't you like those?

"Ummm........if LNG exports can be developed......". If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

[hobbyguy]

^^ You have to TRY first. The negative Nellies in the NDP default to "Nooooo" as starting point.

The NDP don't have management experience, so instead they put up a picket line around the province with with big "Nooooo" as a starting point. Way to negotiate! Start by telling your potential partners to fluff off. Make stupid and unrealistic demands. Thumb your noses at them and tell them they are crooks. Yup, that the NDP way, hang out the biggest sign you find that says "NOOOOO".

A good example is stupid bluster Horgan put up about going to Washington and fixing the softwood lumber deal. Yah right. Slunk back with his tail between his legs after the Trump folks schooled him.

The bands on the north west coast had nice deals set up that were going to make them prosperous and give them a boost toward a better future. Then Horgan and his band of negative Nellie fools piddled in their cornflakes. "Noooo" they shouted. "Nooo" the NDP shouted, the province shouldn't take less so the FNs could have more.

And when the potential clients leave, the clueless NDP try to say "not us, oh no, we want to promote LNG". Get lost turkey brains! At least go to school and get some real education besides basket weaving 101 (political "science"). Maybe try math, and economics, and business classes in how to read a financial statement. Heck, throw in some engineering so you might understand a little of how the real world works.

It wasn't the BC Liberals that weren't trying, they did. But they had the NDP goofballs sticking their noses in and yammering "Nooo", we don't know what's involved, but "Noooo". Why? Because devious Dix forgot that rational people vote FOR things.

And so now we have the NDP partisans cheering because the dreams of many BC residents, including FNs went down the drain, after the less than useless NDP did everything they could to wreck negotiations with potential clients. NDP partisans cheering at someone else's misfortune. Sad.

[The Green Barbarian]

You couldn't be more wrong. To begin with, the first items on your list were what the NDP is starting to open up again after the BCLibreals basically shut them down.
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The idiot NDP just cut back the annual cut, and here are the spin-doctors trying to lie and say that the NDP are "starting to open it up again". The idiot NDP never "open up" anything. They kill everything. That's why the NDP has lost five elections in a row, and will lose the next one. No one other than your fellow orange kool-aid drinkers are buying this total BS.

[seewood]

[quote="alanjh595"]BC could easily become the fastest growing "Have Not" province in this country.

I thought we were after the NDP finally got punted 77-2. pretty embarrassing really.
Quebec just seems it is their right to be a "have not" province....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/na ... le1021327/