BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to NDP

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Postby LordEd » Nov 30th, 2017, 7:19 am

Says part of the dead body crew....

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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Jflem1983 » Nov 30th, 2017, 7:33 am

Amazing to see Alberta so far down the list. NDP. Kills investment . Kills dreams. Kills wealth. These people talk as if they want to help people. However every single thing they do just hurts the small percentage of people who dont need help
Now they want to take our guns away . That would be just fine. Take em away from the criminals first . Ill gladly give u mine. "Charlie Daniels"

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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Jflem1983 » Nov 30th, 2017, 7:35 am

I lived in sask when the NDP finally got turfed there. The province nearly instantly went from have not province to boom town
Now they want to take our guns away . That would be just fine. Take em away from the criminals first . Ill gladly give u mine. "Charlie Daniels"

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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Urban Cowboy » Nov 30th, 2017, 9:36 am

Jflem1983 wrote:Amazing to see Alberta so far down the list. NDP. Kills investment . Kills dreams. Kills wealth. These people talk as if they want to help people. However every single thing they do just hurts the small percentage of people who dont need help


That's what has always irked me the most, they always portray themselves as helping the ones in need, when in reality the only thing they do is help themselves, and thereby hurt those they pretended to help.

Sleazy vile liars the lot of them.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby hobbyguy » Nov 30th, 2017, 1:52 pm

^^ Actually, sleaziness not restricted to the NDP. Dean Del Mastro comes to mind.

The real difference seems to come in attachment to the real world.

What I see in many politicians is that their education, if you can call it that, is in political "science". Political "science" is actually nothing more the arts of manipulating people, the art of never being straightforward, and the art of giving the appearances of doing something while actually doing nothing.

That shows up heavily within the NDP (especially in BC) as zero real world experience or attachment to the real world. It is very difficult to find any NDPers with management experience, and increasingly difficult to find any politicians of any party with management experience in the real world. We occasionally see Ivory tower academics get involved, but their attachment to the real world is also tenuous at best, they are more attached to theories than to reality.

Why does that management experience matter? Even MBAs with all their fancy education are not well schooled enough in the hard realities of "and then what?" which leads to many unintended consequences. The real world doesn't fit any theories, but the theories can help to guide folks to ask the right series of questions - while not giving firm answers. There is nothing like business management experience to round out theoretical knowledge and teach that balance always matters.

I see in Rachel Notley's comments the other day that she has achieved a decent understanding of balance. In contrast to the myopic LEAPers within the NDP, she points out correctly that you can not sacrifice the livelihoods of thousands to the great green Baal, while recognizing that more attention to environmental issues. The myopic Greens and the LEAPers seem to be unable to achieve that balance in their thinking.

Ensuring adequate investments, an availability of good jobs, maintaining standards of living and progress toward more sustainability are a tough balance. Chop off any of the legs, and the end goal of sustainability will fail. There many more pitfalls of unintended consequences that shallow thinking will not see until it is too late. Gregor Robertson and the the city of Vancouver are a good example.

Gregor embarked upon his "quest" to make Vancouver "the greenest city on the planet". Bicycle paths, bicycle paths, more bicycle paths, converting roadways and parking places into bicycle only infrastructure. The unintended consequence? More cars stuck in congestion spewing pollution into the atmosphere. More cars endlessly circling the block looking for parking and spewing pollution. Budget compromise meaning the money was spent on bicycle paths and "the green revolution" instead of fixing the raw sewage polluting the ocean. Budget compromise that sacrificed the long standing (1988) Vancouver policy of 20% social housing (down 8% under Gregor's "leadership"). Buses stuck in congested traffic both making transit less attractive AND more costly. Compromised traffic meant that suburbs became a less viable and attractive option, thus contributing to driving up for prices property in Vancouver proper - and that spins out into the destruction of rental properties to be replaced by "for sale" condos.

In the end, Gregor's single minded pursuit of "the greenest city in the world" has created a mess. Vancouver is now on par with Karachi, Pakistan as a "livable" city. Unaffordable, beset with homelessness, zero effective rental vacancy, very high rents, citizens way in over their heads with mortgage debt, high taxes, and in reality no "greener" than any other city of similar size. Gregor is now reaching into the provincial coffers, and trying for federal $$ to try start digging out from the mess that his myopic single purpose "green" notion has wrought. It will take decades of effort to restore the balance, if ever.

It is not just O&G investment that is at stake with phony fools like George Heyman spreading myopic anti-science nonsense. It is the livlihoods of 100s of thousands of Canadians, many of them BC residents. But Heyman doesn't care. Weaver doesn't care. Popham doesn't care. Trevena doesn't care. Donaldson is too clueless to even see what he should care about. Ralston never cared. The political machinations by the NDP and Greens to permanently ensconce themselves as the masters of BC government (paid for with OUR taxpayer $$$) is telling business people "don't invest in BC". It is headed for a totalitarian single party myopia.

Those that understand balance, and that societies evolve, will run away from BC.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 2nd, 2017, 1:19 pm

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada- ... -1.4428565

Perhaps it's time to stop flogging the NDP and start seeing what's going on in the rest of the world.........oil-wise.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 2nd, 2017, 3:02 pm

Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-pipelines-saudi-oil-imports-1.4428565

Perhaps it's time to stop flogging the NDP and start seeing what's going on in the rest of the world.........oil-wise.


'Tis more complicated than that. Without a National Energy Plan, there is no incentive for businesses to do the right thing.

The right thing is for every ton of oil sands to be upgraded in Alberta, and the petcoke residue (which is the source of a very high proportion of the carbon in oil sands product) put back into the toxic ground from whence it came. That, more or less, was what Peter Lougheed had in mind for the oil sands.

IF that were the approach, then Energy East would make sense, refining the synthetic crude to displace incoming tankers from some very shady places. A win for Alberta (lots of jobs), a win for Quebec and Ontario, and a win for the environment, especially as there would be far less tanker traffic on the east coast, far less oil burnt transporting oil (pipelines can be run from hydroelectric power, ships can't).

IF that were the case, there would be less resistance to the TMX, especially as the few remaining BC refineries could use the product.

BUT, to pay for that WE would all to chip in. Probably about $.05/liter to pay for the upgraders. Or maybe that might just be one of the very best uses for the carbon tax money - to actually DO something to curtail the carbon emissions.

But alas, the BC NDP are dumping the carbon tax into general revenue rather than actually doing what should be done with it :-X
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 2nd, 2017, 3:08 pm

Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-pipelines-saudi-oil-imports-1.4428565

Perhaps it's time to stop flogging the NDP and start seeing what's going on in the rest of the world.........oil-wise.


Anything to deflect attention away from the provincial NDP and direct it towards the Federal government. AND just for good measure, add in some international spice for effect.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 2nd, 2017, 5:05 pm

alanjh595 wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-pipelines-saudi-oil-imports-1.4428565

Perhaps it's time to stop flogging the NDP and start seeing what's going on in the rest of the world.........oil-wise.


Anything to deflect attention away from the provincial NDP and direct it towards the Federal government. AND just for good measure, add in some international spice for effect.


Don't like reading another perspective? Of course not, it contradicts the usual suspects' partisan agenda.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 2nd, 2017, 5:21 pm

alanjh595 wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-pipelines-saudi-oil-imports-1.4428565

Perhaps it's time to stop flogging the NDP and start seeing what's going on in the rest of the world.........oil-wise.


Anything to deflect attention away from the provincial NDP and direct it towards the Federal government. AND just for good measure, add in some international spice for effect.


There's another NDP-bashing thread here. Why not just use that one?
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby UhHuhYeahSure » Dec 3rd, 2017, 8:44 am

Wait for it...

Wait until the rest of the surveys come in once a track record can be discerned from Horgan's Heros NDP inevitable war on the private sector.

Mining and exploration will be next. More production royalties are an NDP staple. And the industry answer is to cut production, close mines and wait for the NDP to go away for a decade or so. The exploration sector says Adios and heads to the many places more welcoming to hundreds of millions on dollars of investment. The exploration and mining industry in BC, a terrain with one of the most diverse and endowed mineral environments in the world, has seen this pattern every time a socialist, tax hungry, money squandering government takes over.

The O&G label of the article is a bit off. BC is second in Canada only to Alberta for gas production but produces only about 1% of Canada's oil. NE BC is a gas producer. And the Canadian gas industry has already a pounding headache left over from the LNG battles.

The NDP bloats government. And the more people who end up cushioned in a warm and fuzzy bubble bath of government paychecks, government pensions, government benefits, government union job security, they lose sight of where the money come from.

A culture emerges from this sheltered community of an unrealistic and entitled future that becomes endemic. And the pressure on the private sector simply becomes over whelming. And industry leaves.

We can't all work for the government or get paid for work on tax funded government projects.

We don't all sell products to health care, education, public works or any other government sector with a capital expenditures budget.

We can't we keep up with the costs of discovering, following, maintaining and paying for government imposed regulation, tax compliance and restrictive business conduct.

Someone out here still needs to create the wealth for the government employment sector to live on. Once you lose sight of that, you've failed to understand what a sustainable economy is...Mr. Horgan
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby twobits » Dec 3rd, 2017, 2:10 pm

Cactusflower wrote:

This has become a game of whack-a-mole. No sooner has one Site C topic been terminated than the hydroelectric project pops up again on another thread.


Disagree but thanks for a great idea that I can make some great money with for the next 3 yrs. I'm gonna buy every whack-a-mole game I can find and change the "moles" to Horgan and Weaver heads that pop up. 11 Horgans and 1 Weaver.....for proportional representation ya know. Then I'll put one in every bar cuz that is where you will find all the laid off oil, gas and construction workers drowning the sorrows of unemployment. These guys will be happy to pump toonies into my machines for a chance to whack these guys in the head. Multiple times too because it will be therapeutic.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 3rd, 2017, 2:37 pm

twobits wrote:
Cactusflower wrote:

This has become a game of whack-a-mole. No sooner has one Site C topic been terminated than the hydroelectric project pops up again on another thread.


Disagree but thanks for a great idea that I can make some great money with for the next 3 yrs. I'm gonna buy every whack-a-mole game I can find and change the "moles" to Horgan and Weaver heads that pop up. 11 Horgans and 1 Weaver.....for proportional representation ya know. Then I'll put one in every bar cuz that is where you will find all the laid off oil, gas and construction workers drowning the sorrows of unemployment. These guys will be happy to pump toonies into my machines for a chance to whack these guys in the head. Multiple times too because it will be therapeutic.


Sounds like a great idea, but I would like to suggest that you load this onto a trailer and take it to the Farmers Market as a holistic, non drug, therapeutic, stress relief, device. The laughter will be good for the "wacker" and all those that watch. Big digital score display on the back wall with a naturopathic gift basket, composed of a basket of fresh veggies from other vendors in the market, with a list of donors included for future business prospects.
The vendors will win because they only have to give up a bunch of "GMO/organic" carrots, or whatever they are selling as a sample to promote their products and encourage them to return to the market and buy some more in the future. With a little luck, the winner will share their winnings with their friends and prove that they are a superior product.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

Postby Urban Cowboy » Dec 3rd, 2017, 5:07 pm

Cactusflower wrote:This has become a game of whack-a-mole. No sooner has one Site C topic been terminated than the hydroelectric project pops up again on another thread.


Why should that bother you here, but not when it's mj starting the 749th thread with bclibs in the title? :biggrin:

At least in the case of site C it impacts various topics directly, thus naturally gets incorporated into the discussion.
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Re: BC is now worst destination for O&G investment due to ND

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