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Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 15th, 2017, 11:30 am

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the truth wrote:so peoples tax payers money is supporting and paying for illegal places for people to shot up and do drugs :135: :cuss:

last time i checked it was against the law to do these drugs , so these places are there to make sure these people do not od so they can go on stealing and robbing the locals for there next high, but who cares about that i guess :-X


The center isn't illegal-the drugs are.

Also,it costs the tax payer way more in taxes with repeated trips to the Emergency room for these OD cases as well as the overworked emergency services dealing with these individuals.

It's all about perspective I suppose.


The centre was illegal until trudeau took away the safe communities act. . Now we are doomed
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby the truth » Dec 18th, 2017, 12:12 pm

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#214319 heads up drug users, drugs kill you have been warned
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby maryjane48 » Dec 18th, 2017, 12:43 pm

the truth wrote:https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-214319-4-.htm#214319 heads up drug users, drugs kill you have been warned



Lol..yes drinking and driving kills :130:
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 18th, 2017, 1:45 pm

the truth wrote:https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-214319-4-.htm#214319 heads up drug users, drugs kill you have been warned


Thank you for the public warning announcement Truth. They probably won't heed the warning anyways, but at least you tried.
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 18th, 2017, 3:07 pm

Was super hard to see my good buddies mom at the service. Its the people left behind who suffer
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 18th, 2017, 11:16 pm

maryjane48 wrote:
the truth wrote:https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story-214319-4-.htm#214319 heads up drug users, drugs kill you have been warned



Lol..yes drinking and driving kills :130:



Drinking and driving is a really good comparison. They use all sorts of scare tactics against drunks. Why is it not ok to do the same with junkies
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby alanjh595 » Dec 19th, 2017, 7:21 am

The tactic has been used by the pro-lifers for years. I wonder if it works for their cause?

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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:15 am

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-pilot-project-to-distribute-clean-opioids-to-people-at-high-risk-of-overdose/article37392053/

"Ottawa has approved a pilot project that will allow health officials in B.C. to distribute clean opioids to drug users to use as they please, marking one of the province's most radical efforts to address a fentanyl-saturated drug supply that has killed more than 1,000 people this year."

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"This is different from supervised injectable opioid assisted treatment, an intensive treatment option currently available on a small scale to a limited amount of people in B.C., Ontario and soon Alberta. Injectable therapy requires a patient to visit a clinic two or three times a day to inject under supervision, does not allow for take-home doses and can cost up to $25,000 per person per year.

In comparison, an 8-milligram hydromorphone pill costs 32 cents – or $700 for two pills three times a day, for a year.

Dr. Tyndall emphasized that this low-barrier initiative is not a clinical response, but a public-health response amid an unprecedented crisis. Its aim is not to treat addiction, but to stop overdose deaths due to toxic street drugs."

Only $700/year per addicted person to supply their opiates!

Compare THAT to the costs of the prohibition program and its spin offs, policing costs, gang violence etc. etc.

Finally a rational approach!
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:17 am

hobbyguy wrote:https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/bc-pilot-project-to-distribute-clean-opioids-to-people-at-high-risk-of-overdose/article37392053/

"Ottawa has approved a pilot project that will allow health officials in B.C. to distribute clean opioids to drug users to use as they please, marking one of the province's most radical efforts to address a fentanyl-saturated drug supply that has killed more than 1,000 people this year."

SNIP

"This is different from supervised injectable opioid assisted treatment, an intensive treatment option currently available on a small scale to a limited amount of people in B.C., Ontario and soon Alberta. Injectable therapy requires a patient to visit a clinic two or three times a day to inject under supervision, does not allow for take-home doses and can cost up to $25,000 per person per year.

In comparison, an 8-milligram hydromorphone pill costs 32 cents – or $700 for two pills three times a day, for a year.

Dr. Tyndall emphasized that this low-barrier initiative is not a clinical response, but a public-health response amid an unprecedented crisis. Its aim is not to treat addiction, but to stop overdose deaths due to toxic street drugs."

Only $700/year per addicted person to supply their opiates!

Compare THAT to the costs of the prohibition program and its spin offs, policing costs, gang violence etc. etc.

Finally a rational approach!



U have got to be kidding. This is gonna be a disaster . This will create addicts.
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:26 am

The honest truth. There r currently doctors in this town who will give out mercy scrips. I will not name names here.

Everyone ive ever known to have had one. Is currently an addict still and has been for years. Or has died.

Sorry I know one guy who has gotten off opiates who had a mercy scrip. They have been giving them out for ages.
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:43 am

No, supplying known addicted persons will NOT create more addiction. Sure will put a dent in the #%##$& dealer's pocket though :biggrin:
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:45 am

hobbyguy wrote:No, supplying known addicted persons will NOT create more addiction. Sure will put a dent in the #%##$& dealer's pocket though :biggrin:


No it wont. Read my above post. You cant put out a fire by throwing wood on it. 2 pills a day is not gonna get anyone anything but more addicted. Then they will be back at the dealer.
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Ka-El » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:48 am

hobbyguy wrote:No, supplying known addicted persons will NOT create more addiction. Sure will put a dent in the #%##$& dealer's pocket though :biggrin:

It has also been shown to reduce crime and the spread of disease while having no effect of increasing use
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:51 am

Ka-El wrote:
hobbyguy wrote:No, supplying known addicted persons will NOT create more addiction. Sure will put a dent in the #%##$& dealer's pocket though :biggrin:

It has also been shown to reduce crime and the spread of disease while having no effect of increasing use



2 of the 5 or 6 people ive known who got mercy dope out of doctors. Say 90 pills a month or so.
Are dead
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Re: Scare tactics aren’t the answer for overdose crisis,

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 21st, 2017, 11:56 am

All it does is increase the drug supply. Half the time the mercy dope just gets sold at huge profit . It is after all good dope.

Please understand. Im not talking about studies. Im talking about my friends dying. This is an issue that has touched my life way too many times already
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