47116
50254

Feds butting in ?

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 6th, 2017, 11:17 pm

GordonH wrote:
maryjane48 wrote:http://q101.ca/news/10908-province-accusing-the-feds-of-sticking-its-nose-where-it-doesn-t-belong?platform=hootsuite

Of course they are


Give this a read MJ, take note of 8th dot down.
https://lop.parl.ca/About/Parliament/Ed ... ers-e.html


Sure, but there comes a time when the feds are doing such an incompetent job and/or abusing their power that the provinces must step in to protect the interests of the people and their environment, and this is one of those times.
Cactusflower
Übergod
 
Posts: 1814
Likes: 817 posts
Liked in: 404 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 10:33 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby GordonH » Dec 7th, 2017, 9:53 am

^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

2 people like this post.
User avatar
GordonH
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 18733
Likes: 1924 posts
Liked in: 6136 posts
Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:21 pm
Location: Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 7th, 2017, 10:16 am

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.


Which brings up another 'power' that should be taken away from the Feds........fisheries. As with pipelines and other jurisdictions, the Feds have proven to be either incompetent or ignorant or both. The DOF has never given a rat's patootie about the West Coast since Maggie Sinclair Trudeau's father was in charge.

( :topic: )........sorry!
Cactusflower
Übergod
 
Posts: 1814
Likes: 817 posts
Liked in: 404 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 10:33 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby hobbyguy » Dec 7th, 2017, 10:25 am

Ah, I see. The orange tinfoil hats can't see that their beloved NDP is poking its nose into affairs that it does not belong in. Nor can they see that George Heyman is a phony.

The BC NDP have fallen into their old position of "Nooooo". No real scientific analysis. No real economic analysis. No real risk analysis. Just gin up hysteria and shout "Noooo".

My suggestion is that NDP all gather on Vancouver Island for a convention, and we boot Vancouver Island to the curb as a separate province. Then they can all shout "Nooo" at each other, build nothing anywhere, any time, especially in anybody's back yard - and wonder why none of them have jobs, incomes and are freezing in the dark. Sigh, but then they would want the federal government to rescue them...

The TMX has been through pretty extensive analysis, the risks have been assessed - and are being mitigated to near zero.

But the plastic kayaker LEAP crowd within the NDP are stuck on "Nooo" as usual. Nooo jobs. Noooo revenue to pay for programs. Yup, funding for government programs just falls out the sky. Meanwhile phonies like Heorge Heyman just gin up hysteria and insist that oil tankers are guaranteed to run aground everywhere. Never mind that phony George is pretending that tanker and navigational technology etc. has not changed, they will just continue to pretend that rotary phone oil transport is what is happening, not iPhone X oil transport and safety.

The provincial government under the NDP is waaay out of line in this. They are taking the usual far left totalitarian approach to things.
We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Louis D. Brandeis

Walking Wounded likes this post.
hobbyguy
Guru
 
Posts: 6992
Likes: 1781 posts
Liked in: 6177 posts
Joined: Jan 20th, 2011, 8:10 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Walking Wounded » Dec 7th, 2017, 10:46 am

This thread should be titled, BC NDP sticking their noses where they don't belong. All the NDP are doing is wasting time and eventually money on something they have no control or say over.

2 people like this post.
User avatar
Walking Wounded
Generalissimo Postalot
 
Posts: 767
Likes: 3726 posts
Liked in: 1008 posts
Joined: Aug 23rd, 2009, 10:25 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Glacier » Dec 7th, 2017, 11:11 am

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

The courts overrule both. That's why the leftists are trying to lawyer and up and argue in the courts that the feds screwed up. All you need is a good lawyer and a bad judge, and anything can happen.
User avatar
Glacier
Admiral HMS Castanet
 
Posts: 25938
Likes: 2444 posts
Liked in: 8111 posts
Joined: Jul 6th, 2008, 9:41 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby GordonH » Dec 7th, 2017, 11:16 am

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

Glacier wrote:The courts overrule both. That's why the leftists are trying to lawyer and up and argue in the courts that the feds screwed up. All you need is a good lawyer and a bad judge, and anything can happen.

it doesn't change the fact that pipelines are not Provincial jurisdiction, check the link I provided earlier in the thread.

2 people like this post.
User avatar
GordonH
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 18733
Likes: 1924 posts
Liked in: 6136 posts
Joined: Oct 4th, 2008, 6:21 pm
Location: Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Jflem1983 » Dec 7th, 2017, 11:47 am

Need a more effective means of dealing with rogue judges and districts. Harper had set up the safe cities act witch was helping us a lot. But trudeau didnt like it. So we got rid of it.

On pipelines trudeau has done quite well as far as i can see. Much better than id like to give him credit for .

How do we take on a stuborn possibly criminal council in burnaby. These people are eco terrorists . How do we convince them to provide the legally required permits.

Then we have all the beggars looking for an extra hundred million here and there to hush up. The politics of building a pipeline in this country are quite frankly unreal.

Every other country in the world competes for oil and gas. Canada we argue about it.

Hope all u enviro folks are right and u really are saving us all. Sure looks like we are being held over a barrel by a bunch of greasy palms .
We don't reach for handouts we reach for those who are down . "Garth Brooks "

You have got to stand for something . Or you will fall for anything "Aaron Tippin"
MAKE ALBERTA GREAT AGAIN
User avatar
Jflem1983
Grand Pooh-bah
 
Posts: 2941
Likes: 4839 posts
Liked in: 1653 posts
Joined: Aug 23rd, 2015, 10:38 am

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Urbane » Dec 7th, 2017, 3:59 pm

Good news - from Castanet:

The National Energy Board has ruled in favour of Kinder Morgan Canada in its efforts to bypass Burnaby, B.C., bylaws that stand in the way of its Trans Mountain expansion project.

The NEB order says the company is not required to comply with two sections of the city's bylaws as it prepares to begin construction in the area.

The company had filed a motion to have the NEB overrule the bylaws on a constitutional basis, because it claimed the city was delaying a project the federal government had approved.

Burnaby maintained that it was following the standard bylaws process and that the company was to blame for shoddy applications.

The NEB says its decision allows the company to start work at its temporary infrastructure site near the Westridge Marine Terminal, and some work at the Burnaby Terminal, subject to any other permits or authorizations that may be required.

Kinder Morgan Canada says the $7.4 billion pipeline expansion is already months behind and further delays could threaten the viability of the controversial project.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#213508
"If you don't read the press you are uninformed. If you read the press, you are misinformed."
~Mark Twain

2 people like this post.
User avatar
Urbane
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 20076
Likes: 7108 posts
Liked in: 8458 posts
Joined: Jul 8th, 2007, 6:41 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 7th, 2017, 6:08 pm

Urbane wrote:Good news - from Castanet:

The National Energy Board has ruled in favour of Kinder Morgan Canada in its efforts to bypass Burnaby, B.C., bylaws that stand in the way of its Trans Mountain expansion project.

The NEB order says the company is not required to comply with two sections of the city's bylaws as it prepares to begin construction in the area.

The company had filed a motion to have the NEB overrule the bylaws on a constitutional basis, because it claimed the city was delaying a project the federal government had approved.

Burnaby maintained that it was following the standard bylaws process and that the company was to blame for shoddy applications.

The NEB says its decision allows the company to start work at its temporary infrastructure site near the Westridge Marine Terminal, and some work at the Burnaby Terminal, subject to any other permits or authorizations that may be required.

Kinder Morgan Canada says the $7.4 billion pipeline expansion is already months behind and further delays could threaten the viability of the controversial project.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#213508


Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?
Cactusflower
Übergod
 
Posts: 1814
Likes: 817 posts
Liked in: 404 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 10:33 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Urbane » Dec 7th, 2017, 9:29 pm

    Cactusflower wrote:
    Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?

Have a read:

The debate over oil transport is often dominated by worst-case scenarios and discussion. And of course, nobody wants to see oil spilled and nature harmed. But let’s be honest: rational people do not live their lives by worst-case-scenario avoidance or zero-risk lifestyles. If so, you’d never ride a bike, never drive a car, never board an airplane, or for that matter, never take a shower. In fact, your list of things you wouldn’t do given worst-case scenarios and a zero-risk threshold would encompass pretty much everything you have ever or will ever do.

Worst-case scenarios aside, real-world data and experience show that pipelines are one of the safest ways to transport oil. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best of the available options. On an apples-to-apples comparison, that takes into account the volume of oil transported, pipelines are associated with fewer accidents, injuries and fatalities when compared to rail and truck, which is how oil will move if pipelines are not built.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... lity-check


Authorities say shipping nowadays is much safer.

Tankers are double-hulled; they receive tug support through Vancouver waters; and two local pilots help vessels navigate through our waters all the way to southern Vancouver Island.
https://globalnews.ca/news/900601/kinde ... even-fold/
"If you don't read the press you are uninformed. If you read the press, you are misinformed."
~Mark Twain
User avatar
Urbane
Buddha of the Board
 
Posts: 20076
Likes: 7108 posts
Liked in: 8458 posts
Joined: Jul 8th, 2007, 6:41 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby JagXKR » Dec 7th, 2017, 9:39 pm

Burnaby's eco terrorist mayor lost. Awesome news. Going to bed with a big smile on my face.
Why use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

2 people like this post.
User avatar
JagXKR
Generalissimo Postalot
 
Posts: 794
Likes: 3 posts
Liked in: 618 posts
Joined: Jun 19th, 2011, 5:25 am
Location: Penticton

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby Cactusflower » Dec 7th, 2017, 11:37 pm

Urbane wrote:
    Cactusflower wrote:
    Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?

Have a read:

The debate over oil transport is often dominated by worst-case scenarios and discussion. And of course, nobody wants to see oil spilled and nature harmed. But let’s be honest: rational people do not live their lives by worst-case-scenario avoidance or zero-risk lifestyles. If so, you’d never ride a bike, never drive a car, never board an airplane, or for that matter, never take a shower. In fact, your list of things you wouldn’t do given worst-case scenarios and a zero-risk threshold would encompass pretty much everything you have ever or will ever do.

Worst-case scenarios aside, real-world data and experience show that pipelines are one of the safest ways to transport oil. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best of the available options. On an apples-to-apples comparison, that takes into account the volume of oil transported, pipelines are associated with fewer accidents, injuries and fatalities when compared to rail and truck, which is how oil will move if pipelines are not built.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... lity-check


Authorities say shipping nowadays is much safer.

Tankers are double-hulled; they receive tug support through Vancouver waters; and two local pilots help vessels navigate through our waters all the way to southern Vancouver Island.
https://globalnews.ca/news/900601/kinde ... even-fold/


A link to the Fraser Institute, Urb? Surely you know better than to expect me to click on one of those. Comparing the risks of riding a bike, driving a car, having a shower.........having a shower?? Are they implying that Norman Bates lurks in every woman's bathroom? [icon_lol2.gif] .......etc. to a bitumen spill in our province is ludicrous. I don't know of any bicycle accident that wiped out every living thing in a river, have you? Don't know of any car accident that made water undrinkable in dozens of towns, either. What was the other thing? Oh yeah, air travel. When was the last time you heard of a plane crashing into the ocean and wiping out thousands of seabirds, fish, and even Orcas and other mammals?

I don't believe what the 'authorities' say because all the evidence I've seen shows the opposite to be true. "One of the safest ways to transport oil" is not good enough. Canada does not have to export bitumen to China. Those AB and SK multinational oil corporations can't even supply Canada with oil. If they haven't enough conventional oil, then they should refine their bitumen at the source. Why don't they? Because it would affect their bottom line. Instead of making a 200% profit, they'd only make 100%, poor babies.
Cactusflower
Übergod
 
Posts: 1814
Likes: 817 posts
Liked in: 404 posts
Joined: Aug 27th, 2017, 10:33 pm

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby alfred2 » Dec 8th, 2017, 7:35 am

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:
JagXKR wrote:Burnaby's eco terrorist mayor lost. Awesome news. Going to bed with a big smile on my face.

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045
alfred2
Übergod
 
Posts: 1952
Likes: 4 posts
Liked in: 790 posts
Joined: Jun 29th, 2013, 10:02 am

Re: Feds butting in ?

Postby westbankkid » Dec 8th, 2017, 11:24 am

maryjane48 wrote:http://q101.ca/news/10908-province-accusing-the-feds-of-sticking-its-nose-where-it-doesn-t-belong?platform=hootsuite

Of course they are


The pipeline is the best for Canada. Burnaby got shot down and I for one am glad. Get that pipeline started. It's about time.
User avatar
westbankkid
Übergod
 
Posts: 1228
Likes: 313 posts
Liked in: 365 posts
Joined: Jul 3rd, 2005, 1:10 pm
Location: WESTBANK

PreviousNext

Return to B.C.

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests