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GordonH wrote:

maryjane48 wrote:http://q101.ca/news/10908-province-accusing-the-feds-of-sticking-its-nose-where-it-doesn-t-belong?platform=hootsuite

Of course they are

Give this a read MJ, take note of 8th dot down.
https://lop.parl.ca/About/Parliament/Ed ... ers-e.html

Sure, but there comes a time when the feds are doing such an incompetent job and/or abusing their power that the provinces must step in to protect the interests of the people and their environment, and this is one of those times.

^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

Which brings up another 'power' that should be taken away from the Feds........fisheries. As with pipelines and other jurisdictions, the Feds have proven to be either incompetent or ignorant or both. The DOF has never given a rat's patootie about the West Coast since Maggie Sinclair Trudeau's father was in charge.

( )........sorry!

Ah, I see. The orange tinfoil hats can't see that their beloved NDP is poking its nose into affairs that it does not belong in. Nor can they see that George Heyman is a phony.

The BC NDP have fallen into their old position of "Nooooo". No real scientific analysis. No real economic analysis. No real risk analysis. Just gin up hysteria and shout "Noooo".

My suggestion is that NDP all gather on Vancouver Island for a convention, and we boot Vancouver Island to the curb as a separate province. Then they can all shout "Nooo" at each other, build nothing anywhere, any time, especially in anybody's back yard - and wonder why none of them have jobs, incomes and are freezing in the dark. Sigh, but then they would want the federal government to rescue them...

The TMX has been through pretty extensive analysis, the risks have been assessed - and are being mitigated to near zero.

But the plastic kayaker LEAP crowd within the NDP are stuck on "Nooo" as usual. Nooo jobs. Noooo revenue to pay for programs. Yup, funding for government programs just falls out the sky. Meanwhile phonies like Heorge Heyman just gin up hysteria and insist that oil tankers are guaranteed to run aground everywhere. Never mind that phony George is pretending that tanker and navigational technology etc. has not changed, they will just continue to pretend that rotary phone oil transport is what is happening, not iPhone X oil transport and safety.

The provincial government under the NDP is waaay out of line in this. They are taking the usual far left totalitarian approach to things.

This thread should be titled, BC NDP sticking their noses where they don't belong. All the NDP are doing is wasting time and eventually money on something they have no control or say over.

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

The courts overrule both. That's why the leftists are trying to lawyer and up and argue in the courts that the feds screwed up. All you need is a good lawyer and a bad judge, and anything can happen.

GordonH wrote:^^^ Until Fed's hand over power of pipelines to the Provinces (which is highly doubtful), it's still Federal jurisdiction.

Glacier wrote:The courts overrule both. That's why the leftists are trying to lawyer and up and argue in the courts that the feds screwed up. All you need is a good lawyer and a bad judge, and anything can happen.

it doesn't change the fact that pipelines are not Provincial jurisdiction, check the link I provided earlier in the thread.

Need a more effective means of dealing with rogue judges and districts. Harper had set up the safe cities act witch was helping us a lot. But trudeau didnt like it. So we got rid of it.

On pipelines trudeau has done quite well as far as i can see. Much better than id like to give him credit for .

How do we take on a stuborn possibly criminal council in burnaby. These people are eco terrorists . How do we convince them to provide the legally required permits.

Then we have all the beggars looking for an extra hundred million here and there to hush up. The politics of building a pipeline in this country are quite frankly unreal.

Every other country in the world competes for oil and gas. Canada we argue about it.

Hope all u enviro folks are right and u really are saving us all. Sure looks like we are being held over a barrel by a bunch of greasy palms .

Good news - from Castanet:

The National Energy Board has ruled in favour of Kinder Morgan Canada in its efforts to bypass Burnaby, B.C., bylaws that stand in the way of its Trans Mountain expansion project.

The NEB order says the company is not required to comply with two sections of the city's bylaws as it prepares to begin construction in the area.

The company had filed a motion to have the NEB overrule the bylaws on a constitutional basis, because it claimed the city was delaying a project the federal government had approved.

Burnaby maintained that it was following the standard bylaws process and that the company was to blame for shoddy applications.

The NEB says its decision allows the company to start work at its temporary infrastructure site near the Westridge Marine Terminal, and some work at the Burnaby Terminal, subject to any other permits or authorizations that may be required.

Kinder Morgan Canada says the $7.4 billion pipeline expansion is already months behind and further delays could threaten the viability of the controversial project.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#213508

Urbane wrote:Good news - from Castanet:

The National Energy Board has ruled in favour of Kinder Morgan Canada in its efforts to bypass Burnaby, B.C., bylaws that stand in the way of its Trans Mountain expansion project.

The NEB order says the company is not required to comply with two sections of the city's bylaws as it prepares to begin construction in the area.

The company had filed a motion to have the NEB overrule the bylaws on a constitutional basis, because it claimed the city was delaying a project the federal government had approved.

Burnaby maintained that it was following the standard bylaws process and that the company was to blame for shoddy applications.

The NEB says its decision allows the company to start work at its temporary infrastructure site near the Westridge Marine Terminal, and some work at the Burnaby Terminal, subject to any other permits or authorizations that may be required.

Kinder Morgan Canada says the $7.4 billion pipeline expansion is already months behind and further delays could threaten the viability of the controversial project.
https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#213508

Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?

Cactusflower wrote:
Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?

Have a read:

The debate over oil transport is often dominated by worst-case scenarios and discussion. And of course, nobody wants to see oil spilled and nature harmed. But let’s be honest: rational people do not live their lives by worst-case-scenario avoidance or zero-risk lifestyles. If so, you’d never ride a bike, never drive a car, never board an airplane, or for that matter, never take a shower. In fact, your list of things you wouldn’t do given worst-case scenarios and a zero-risk threshold would encompass pretty much everything you have ever or will ever do.

Worst-case scenarios aside, real-world data and experience show that pipelines are one of the safest ways to transport oil. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best of the available options. On an apples-to-apples comparison, that takes into account the volume of oil transported, pipelines are associated with fewer accidents, injuries and fatalities when compared to rail and truck, which is how oil will move if pipelines are not built.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... lity-check

Authorities say shipping nowadays is much safer.

Tankers are double-hulled; they receive tug support through Vancouver waters; and two local pilots help vessels navigate through our waters all the way to southern Vancouver Island.
https://globalnews.ca/news/900601/kinde ... even-fold/

Burnaby's eco terrorist mayor lost. Awesome news. Going to bed with a big smile on my face.

Urbane wrote:

Cactusflower wrote:
Do you always cheer for impending disasters? Will you be one of those patrolling the beaches, picking up dead birds and fish after the inevitable spill? Will you also be prepared to hire a back-hoe to dig a hole large enough to bury a killer whale?

Have a read:

The debate over oil transport is often dominated by worst-case scenarios and discussion. And of course, nobody wants to see oil spilled and nature harmed. But let’s be honest: rational people do not live their lives by worst-case-scenario avoidance or zero-risk lifestyles. If so, you’d never ride a bike, never drive a car, never board an airplane, or for that matter, never take a shower. In fact, your list of things you wouldn’t do given worst-case scenarios and a zero-risk threshold would encompass pretty much everything you have ever or will ever do.

Worst-case scenarios aside, real-world data and experience show that pipelines are one of the safest ways to transport oil. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best of the available options. On an apples-to-apples comparison, that takes into account the volume of oil transported, pipelines are associated with fewer accidents, injuries and fatalities when compared to rail and truck, which is how oil will move if pipelines are not built.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/article ... lity-check

Authorities say shipping nowadays is much safer.

Tankers are double-hulled; they receive tug support through Vancouver waters; and two local pilots help vessels navigate through our waters all the way to southern Vancouver Island.
https://globalnews.ca/news/900601/kinde ... even-fold/

A link to the Fraser Institute, Urb? Surely you know better than to expect me to click on one of those. Comparing the risks of riding a bike, driving a car, having a shower.........having a shower?? Are they implying that Norman Bates lurks in every woman's bathroom? .......etc. to a bitumen spill in our province is ludicrous. I don't know of any bicycle accident that wiped out every living thing in a river, have you? Don't know of any car accident that made water undrinkable in dozens of towns, either. What was the other thing? Oh yeah, air travel. When was the last time you heard of a plane crashing into the ocean and wiping out thousands of seabirds, fish, and even Orcas and other mammals?

I don't believe what the 'authorities' say because all the evidence I've seen shows the opposite to be true. "One of the safest ways to transport oil" is not good enough. Canada does not have to export bitumen to China. Those AB and SK multinational oil corporations can't even supply Canada with oil. If they haven't enough conventional oil, then they should refine their bitumen at the source. Why don't they? Because it would affect their bottom line. Instead of making a 200% profit, they'd only make 100%, poor babies.

JagXKR wrote:Burnaby's eco terrorist mayor lost. Awesome news. Going to bed with a big smile on my face.

maryjane48 wrote:http://q101.ca/news/10908-province-accusing-the-feds-of-sticking-its-nose-where-it-doesn-t-belong?platform=hootsuite

Of course they are

The pipeline is the best for Canada. Burnaby got shot down and I for one am glad. Get that pipeline started. It's about time.